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Old 07-24-2017, 09:20 PM   #1
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Showa spring/shock available soon



May not be of much interest in the US, but Showa (the OE maker of the 2013-2016 FRS/BRZ shocks) also has performance springs/shocks available for the car.

A worthwhile upgrade to consider should you have a need for it.

Sports:
  • 31N/mm / 41N/mm front/rear
  • -5mm / -10mm lower vs stock
  • ~$860-900 MSRP for spring/shock combo

Evolution w/ SFRD technology:
  • 35N/mm / 44N/mm front/rear
  • -15mm / -15mm lower vs stock
  • ~$1200-1300 MSRP for spring/shock combo
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Showa makes fine stuff. I'd definitely give these a look, considering the pricing. Those spring rates are pretty light, which is nice for places that have rough roads. It all comes down to how the shocks are valved.

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Old 07-25-2017, 01:41 PM   #3
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http://www.showa-tuning.com/evolution.html

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Because the front strut length of 86 / BRZ is short, it has a layout that is very disadvantageous with respect to lateral force and operability. Therefore, by extending the lower end of the front strut by 60 mm, by using 45 mm for the extension of the bearing span and 15 mm for the installation of the SFRD structure, we were able to significantly reduce the operating friction. Moreover, by increasing the thickness of the front damper case, the durability in harsh sports driving is also upgraded. Although it is a stiff finish as a specification, it is exquisitely matched with a damper whose operability was improved by automatically changing the damping by SFRD, realizing a sticky and stressless running while having smoothness I will.
The new 86 / BRZ running produced by SHOWA TUNING can not be expressed by words ....
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Gen 2? :O I would love a set.
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Gen 2? :O I would love a set.
Gen 2 what?

I can get it if you're serious about it.
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Haha - yeah, I found that as well...love the translated text.


As long as the high speed damping isn't too harsh, the light spring rate could produce a nice ride on choppy roads and potholes/expansion joints/etc. That's always been my gripe with aftermarket performance shocks...they crank up both low and high speed damping too much for street use....more low speed damping gives you better feel, but high speed damping increases should be kept at a minimum for compliance on the street. Sometimes I think manufacturers just say "20% increase on spring rates, 20% increase in damping", across the board..."
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SFRD .. something similar to tein's EDFC?
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SFRD .. something similar to tein's EDFC?


Since these are fixed damping I think it would be something closer to Koni's FSD.
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What about comparing this with tein flex z coilovers?
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What about comparing this with tein flex z coilovers?
Compare how so?

Showa is fixed lowering height. Damping is not adjustable. Stock upper mounts are reused.

Tein is the complete opposite of all the above.
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Since these are fixed damping I think it would be something closer to Koni's FSD.
These are nice! Pricing is great. Quality should be very good as well. As a note for early cars (2012-2017) ride height is -10mm Front -15mm Rear and pricing is even less at only $1150 MSRP.



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As a note for early cars (2012-2017) ride height is -10mm Front -15mm Rear and pricing is even less at only $1150 MSRP.
I've already provided feedback to them on this. It's a bit annoying but they list these following spring specs:

Sport:
  • ZN6 MT 31/41 N/mm, -5/-10mm
  • ZN6 AT 31/41 N/mm, -5/-10mm
  • ZC6 MT 31/42 N/mm, -10/-15mm
  • ZC6 AT 31/41 N/mm, -5/-10mm

Evolution:
  • ZN6 MT 35/44 N/mm, -10/-15mm
  • ZN6 AT 35/44 N/mm, -10/-15mm
  • ZC6 MT 35/44 N/mm, -15/-15mm
  • ZC6 AT 35/44 N/mm, -10/-15mm

There are 6 different part numbers for essentially 2 cars. I'm trying to convince them to make this list shorter and more simple.

P.S. Japanese MSRP is not accurate, because you cannot get these in a timely fashion direct from Japan as they cannot be shipped via air.

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I've already provided feedback to them on this. It's a bit annoying but they list these following spring specs:

Sport:
  • ZN6 MT 31/41 N/mm, -5/-10mm
  • ZN6 AT 31/41 N/mm, -5/-10mm
  • ZC6 MT 31/42 N/mm, -10/-15mm
  • ZC6 AT 31/41 N/mm, -5/-10mm

Evolution:
  • ZN6 MT 35/44 N/mm, -10/-15mm
  • ZN6 AT 35/44 N/mm, -10/-15mm
  • ZC6 MT 35/44 N/mm, -15/-15mm
  • ZC6 AT 35/44 N/mm, -10/-15mm

There are 6 different part numbers for essentially 2 cars. I'm trying to convince them to make this list shorter and more simple.

P.S. Japanese MSRP is not accurate, because you cannot get these in a timely fashion direct from Japan as they cannot be shipped via air.

-alex
Any experience with Japanparts.com's purchase service (not the regular catalog but specifically this service?) Looking for anyone that's used it and what their experience was.

https://www.japanparts.com/forwardin...rchase_service
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Any experience with Japanparts.com's purchase service (not the regular catalog but specifically this service?) Looking for anyone that's used it and what their experience was.

https://www.japanparts.com/forwardin...rchase_service
Their purchase service is fine, I'm sure... they are just offering to bid on things on Yahoo Auction or other 3rd party seller sites.
The shipping is still the same... You cannot ship shock cartridges or assemblies with compressed air in them via any courier that flies.

If it goes ocean freight, for something super small like this the shipping charges are absurd.

A small list of the ocean charges that are itemized:
  • loading charges
  • export handing
  • terminal handling - origin
  • BAF
  • export customs clearance fee
  • terminal security fee
  • fuel surcharge
  • import service fee
  • AMS fee
  • chassis surcharge
  • LCL container freight station - dest
  • fuel
  • doc preparation
  • pickup - origin
  • ocean freight LCL (actual shipping charge)
  • ISF filing fee
  • delivery
  • duties - destination

Last time I shipped 2.0 M3 (2 cubic meters) from Japan via LCL, it cost me roughly $1150 before US duties are applied.
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