More confirmation from Toyota on next gen 86

[JesseG]

Originally Posted by NARFALICIOUS

The MA20 is a long stroke engine, it would not be high revving as the FA20

I’m sure they could massage it into something truly fun. And it’s an engine that already exists in their lineup. It won’t happen anyway.


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[Dirty Harry]

Originally Posted by extrashaky

There's a long history of complete and utter bullshit coming out of Motoring.com.au concerning our cars. There's a long history of them simply making up nonsense and passing it off as some secret inside information. It's not that you should believe or disbelieve them; it's that you should disregard them altogether and not spread anything they publish.

If you didn't know they're not a credible source of information, that's okay.

Now you do.

Fair enough, I’m not privy as to what past articles have been debunked as bullshit as you say. Reputation/size wise they’re owned by carsales.com.au, a large auto trader website over here worth about $1.8 billion.

If you think their articles are bullshit you can email the editor in chief:

mailto:mike.sinclair@carsales.com.au

Interested to see if you get a response. Better than being pissed off on a forum with fictional news being continued to be spread around etc. Good luck.

[why?]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

The crash requirements of the Fiero are laughable to those now and the builds can not be compared. I highly doubt that they could shave a foot off and take a rear end collision like they can. As I said it is very easy to say "they can just do..." but they have requirements to meet that may make it impossible no matter what us armchair engineers think.

Normally I'd agree with you, but not on this one. There are plenty of cars with length's that are shorter than the BRZ. Heck they could have even shrunk the sheetmetal just to be closer to the wheels and made it better instead of having those huge overhangs.

I don't want exotic materials or anything like that, because that will astronomically raise the price, and if I wanted that I'd go buy an Alfa 4c. My BRZ made my Yaris look like a clown car with how much larger the BRZ is.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by why?

There are plenty of cars with length's that are shorter than the BRZ.

Sure, but I didn't buy them for that very reason.

If you start taking space out of the 86, it becomes less practical as a DD or even a second car, which means there are some people who purchased them that would not have. Frankly, I don't believe that would have been offset by an equal of people who didn't buy it because it was "too big" or "too heavy" that now would have bought it.

Also, the Fiero (depending on the year and model) was 160 to 165 inches long. The 86 is 167". Not exactly a huge difference. In its later years (when it was actually a decent car) it weighed almost the same as well (2,790lbs or so)

The MK1 MR2 was 155 inches, now there is a significant difference.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by why?

Normally I'd agree with you, but not on this one. There are plenty of cars with length's that are shorter than the BRZ. Heck they could have even shrunk the sheetmetal just to be closer to the wheels and made it better instead of having those huge overhangs.

I don't want exotic materials or anything like that, because that will astronomically raise the price, and if I wanted that I'd go buy an Alfa 4c. My BRZ made my Yaris look like a clown car with how much larger the BRZ is.

You are still over simplifying the crash test requirements. Sure there are "plenty" of cars but they are not the same design. Just because others can do it does not mean it can be applied across the board. Could be that removing a foot actually adds weight! They may have been able to reduce it and take a lower crash test rating but this may be as short as THIS car can get and maintain top ratings.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Dirty Harry

It's just an article, take what you want from it I guess.

About 1 in 20 of their articles have a granule of truth. I know you are thinking "Did they write 20 articles or only 19". Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement, I've kinda lost track myself. But being that is a click bait, the most powerful fiction site on the web, and confuse the hell outta' anybody, you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya, punk?

[ZDan]

FT86 does not have a lot of rear overhang... For an FR car it has very little.

Where they need to remove length is between the wheels, not aft of the rears. Make the car shorter, sure, but do so by deleting the rear seats and moving the rear wheels forward => lighter-weight 2-seat fixed-roof sports car with 50/50 weight distribution. They should make this... Toyota version could be called 2000GT.

Also keep the existing 2+2 variant as a lot of people can use the extra space.

[86MLR]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

The MK1 MR2 was 155 inches, now there is a significant difference.

My daughter showing her approval of my old AW11, circa 2005.

Snap oversteer on tap

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by ZDan

FT86 does not have a lot of rear overhang... For an FR car it has very little.

Where they need to remove length is between the wheels, not aft of the rears. Make the car shorter, sure, but do so by deleting the rear seats and moving the rear wheels forward => lighter-weight 2-seat fixed-roof sports car with 50/50 weight distribution. They should make this... Toyota version could be called 2000GT.

Also keep the existing 2+2 variant as a lot of people can use the extra space.

This begs the question of how many levels of niche can they go before nobody buys enough of anything to make it worth their while?


They did officially say several times that the would "like" to have a three car sports line up so maybe there is hope for something smaller. I wouldn't hold my breath though.

[ZDan]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

This begs the question of how many levels of niche can they go before nobody buys enough of anything to make it worth their while?
They did officially say several times that the would "like" to have a three car sports line up so maybe there is hope for something smaller. I wouldn't hold my breath though.

I'm not...

What they (Toyota) could/should have done is a 2-seat version of the FT86 as described (shorter wheelbase, 50/50 weight distribution), and the "new Supra" could have been an N.A. Lexus V6-engined version of that, and skip the whole BMW partnership (which was sure-fire way to make the car overweight and overpriced).
Anyway, then they'd have had 3 different fun and relatively lightweight and inexpensive sports/sporty cars with each having its own personality, with a lot of parts and platform-sharing.

And we'd have had 2 (two!) great legitimate somewhat-lightweight sports cars from Toyota instead of one biggish/heavyish one...

[nikitopo]

86/BRZ a biggish/heavyish ... OK! You should check how much heavier are most of today cars in order to pass crash tests and regulations.

[gravitylover]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

The line has blurred considerably in the last 20 years. I was very careful to point out that my opinion of sports cars is a very old definition. The sports car crowd of any era up until the late 80s would have laughed at you if you showed up in an 86 and said "I am one of you".

I'm used to being laughed at. When I showed up at SCCA races in 1984/85 with my (very nicely built) 1981 200SX hatch I got a hard time from those guys but then when I'd drop them on the track their attitude would change somewhat and when they didn't have a prayer keeping up with me in dirt road hill climbs I got the last laugh. Even with the back seat that car was still well under 2800 pounds.

Originally Posted by extrashaky

The Challenger is a pony car, not a GT.

And when I had one, one of the most common things I heard was it's too big and too heavy to be a pony car. At over 4k pounds I have to agree. There also aren't many pony cars with a 2 body trunk

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by 86MLR

My daughter showing her approval of my old AW11, circa 2005. Snap oversteer on tap

MY AW11, circa 1987.... (also my Z28 Targa on the other side of it)

[Stephen W.]

Read this Road and Track article and all will be revealed.
No One Knows What "Sports Car" Actually Means Anymore
https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cul...ar-definition/