More confirmation from Toyota on next gen 86

[why?]

Originally Posted by Adam_L

I meant to add, even if they were to make this change, the GT86 MPG will surely decrease by 5-8% , or roughly 3mpg. I know, it's a sports car , you may/ may not care about MPG. However I'll bet Toyota and Subaru care about MPG, and they have to keep the EPA content by meeting their strict guidelines of average MPG per fleet of vehicles.

I don't see Tada , Toyota, or anyone from Subaru coming to the microphone speaking on behalf of this fact , but it's a very real important phenomenon. Where are all the hybrid Trucks / SUV's ? The technology is there, utilize it.

They've tried, but batteries overheat quickly when towing or overburdened. Toyota was experimenting on a Tundra hybrid a decade ago, but couldn't figure out how to deal with the motor and batteries overheating well enough to ever release it.

Now Hybrid SUV's? Are you paying attention? The Highlander has had a hybrid for decades. The RAV4 hybrid is soon going to outsell the Prius.

Originally Posted by nikitopo

What the tS? Nah, it is even heavier. If I recall correctly, it was around 2842 lbs.

They would have to make the new car lighter, but this means going into a more expensive materials territory. The other option which is easier is to increase a bit the displacement.

Or they could make it shorter. They could easily cut a foot out of the trunk, and just raise the deck height to fit 4 wheels into it. There is no reason for the car to be as big as it currently is. They can do lots of stuff and still keep the size of the front seating area the same. Heck a Fiero has a larger seating area than a twin and they are tiny.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by why?

They've tried, but batteries overheat quickly when towing or overburdened. Toyota was experimenting on a Tundra hybrid a decade ago, but couldn't figure out how to deal with the motor and batteries overheating well enough to ever release it.

Now Hybrid SUV's? Are you paying attention? The Highlander has had a hybrid for decades. The RAV4 hybrid is soon going to outsell the Prius.



Or they could make it shorter. They could easily cut a foot out of the trunk, and just raise the deck height to fit 4 wheels into it. There is no reason for the car to be as big as it currently is. They can do lots of stuff and still keep the size of the front seating area the same. Heck a Fiero has a larger seating area than a twin and they are tiny.

The crash requirements of the Fiero are laughable to those now and the builds can not be compared. I highly doubt that they could shave a foot off and take a rear end collision like they can. As I said it is very easy to say "they can just do..." but they have requirements to meet that may make it impossible no matter what us armchair engineers think.

[extrashaky]

Originally Posted by gravitylover

When I think modern GT's I think of the Challenger with the V6...

The Challenger is a pony car, not a GT.

[86MLR]

Originally Posted by soundman98

not sarcasm at all.
https://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=107635
links no longer work, but i save everything.

honestly, not much was actually advertised, but those that seek can find.
it's not a clean sheet design, just an update throughout the block.

Definitely changes, but not major overhaul of entire design, unless, the added strength helps mitigate the "harmonics" in the crank?

Are 17+ cars eating bearings as much as previous years?

I wish they said what the " puple" reinforcement was meant to help with, i.e. the harmonics eating bearings at high RPM or rods failing from passing their "happy limit" of distortion at the big end?

Subaru's reasoning was lame > "These improvements result in the response that the driver was expecting, and a smooth
revving engine . They also result in better fuel efficiency".

[Dirty Harry]

https://www.motoring.com.au/new-toyo...atform-118087/

According to this article the next gen won't be using the Subaru Global Platform but either the existing modified Impreza Platform or the new Toyota TNGA Platform, which could bring weight savings. I think it will be an evolution rather than a revolution of the current car. Hopefully a bit lighter and a bit more power, without stuffing up the current recipe.

[extrashaky]

Originally Posted by Dirty Harry

https://www.motoring.com.au/new-toyo...atform-118087/

According to this article, every bit of information in a Motoring.com.au article is complete and utter bullshit.

Your post had a typo. I fixed it for you.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by extrashaky

Your post had a typo. I fixed it for you.

Extra's correction is correct.

This is the most ridculas basis for a story ever! "A recent report involving an exec working for Toyota UK suggested it was a “safe assumption” the new 86 and BRZ would stick to this arrangement." Do I need to break out everything that is just wrong in this statement?

[Dirty Harry]

It's just an article, take what you want from it I guess.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Dirty Harry

It's just an article, take what you want from it I guess.

It is fiction. Everything they write is fiction.The bad part is the other sites take their fiction and add more fiction to it until nobody know what is true. Only suckers fall for this click bait crap.

[Adam_L]

Originally Posted by why?

They've tried, but batteries overheat quickly when towing or overburdened. Toyota was experimenting on a Tundra hybrid a decade ago, but couldn't figure out how to deal with the motor and batteries overheating well enough to ever release it.

Now Hybrid SUV's? Are you paying attention? The Highlander has had a hybrid for decades. The RAV4 hybrid is soon going to outsell the Prius.

Right, Highlander Hybrid is probably over 10 yrs old now, but for all the SUV's out there , probably only 10% are offered as a hybrid ( low %).

As far as the truck hybrid is concerned, why not build in something into the electronics that says if you're just cruising around town under 25 mph (no load) then it's all electronic assist. Also on the HWY, going 55+ mph, have a electronic assist. There has to be on board electronics that sense if the vehicle is 1. towing , 2. has a payload of say 400+ lbs. In either of those two instances, just have gas engine en-gauged. The engineers can build it, if they wanted, but it's a matter of the Executives thinking if they're isn't much of a demand out there and/or competition by other manufactures.... they why build it, or dream of it.

I predict we will see a hybrid, light duty truck in the coming 4-6 years. Tacoma, 2.7L , light duty, but purchase price will increase....surely

[Adam_L]

double post, sorry

[NARFALICIOUS]

Originally Posted by JesseG

. Subaru could use a new version of their FA20, maybe even with a small turbo. Toyota could use something like the MA20, add in some Yamaha tuning magic and create a little high revving monster. I know it will never happen, both cars are built in the same place. Like I said, it’s a dream. lol

The MA20 is a long stroke engine, it would not be high revving as the FA20

[extrashaky]

Originally Posted by Dirty Harry

It's just an article, take what you want from it I guess.

There's a long history of complete and utter bullshit coming out of Motoring.com.au concerning our cars. There's a long history of them simply making up nonsense and passing it off as some secret inside information. It's not that you should believe or disbelieve them; it's that you should disregard them altogether and not spread anything they publish.

If you didn't know they're not a credible source of information, that's okay.

Now you do.

[JesseG]

Originally Posted by extrashaky

They are Imprezas. Imprezas are not sports cars by any stretch of the imagination. Slapping a turbo and some suspension parts on an econobox doesn't magically transform it into a sports car.

It’s a little more involved than slapping a turbo and suspension on. They are performance cars, and they can do things a lot of cars can’t. In pure driver feedback they aren’t a sports car, and you’re right they are based on a compact sedan.

I get a little annoyed with what is a sports car or not. I know definitions exist to define it, but even those can vary. Isn’t being a convertible one of the “requirements”? Anyway, let’s say you are driving an Audi RS3 with some purpose, who cares what the hell its labeled as right? You will be smiling ear to ear. Same goes with cars like the STI.


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