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Powersfrs · 02-02-2014, 03:18 PM

Sorry I'm a noob at this!!!...so will I feel the torque if I'm driving normal n shifting around 3300~ Or will I only feel it when I'm at wot

calispec · 02-02-2014, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Powersfrs

Sorry I'm a noob at this!!!...so will I feel the torque if I'm driving normal n shifting around 3300~ Or will I only feel it when I'm at wot

You will only get more power over stock when the recirculating valve closes.. This is only dependent on throttle position. NOT RPM.. I don't know what % of throttle will start to close the bypass valve and boost will be generated (maybe around 1/4 to 1/5). You CAN build boost at idle. but you don't have to.. that is the point i am trying to make..

CK_Bladesmith · 02-02-2014, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by calispec

You will only get more power over stock when the recirculating valve closes.. This is only dependent on throttle position. NOT RPM.. I don't know what % of throttle will start to close the bypass valve and boost will be generated (maybe around 1/4 to 1/5). You CAN build boost at idle. but you don't have to.. that is the point i am trying to make..

This explains exactly why I feel what I would call a "hesitation" around 3k under 1/4 and increasing throttle input. It has to be the bypass valve closing and going into boost. I know it's not the tune....delicious tuning is excellent.

calispec · 02-02-2014, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by CK_Bladesmith

This explains exactly why I feel what I would call a "hesitation" around 3k under 1/4 and increasing throttle input. It has to be the bypass valve closing and going into boost. I know it's not the tune....delicious tuning is excellent.

I am tuned by delicious as well. I don't have much of a hesitation at all. But it might have something to do with it. Make sure you have the most recent tune by him. The intercooler may help because it displaces some of the volume that would need to be compressed.

evo4g63 · 02-02-2014, 04:12 PM

^^ I had this issue for the longest time. Revised ROM from Toni at FA20club took care of it now. Car down low drives like it did stock.

evan · 02-02-2014, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Boxer486

Who? Anyone at a a stop sign or light. Or anyone not wanting to fuck up their engine before the thermostat opens. That's who. Good you answered your own question. You obviously haven't looked at a lot of supercharger dynos compared to stock below 2.5-3k. Read some of the impressions of some supercharger installations having lag. While a well dialed in tune can help, I'm not sure it will always be the fix for such issues. Believe me, I don't need a lesson 101 from you about a twin-screw lysholm positive displacement compressor or any forced induction methodology. If I did, I would have asked so don't be so flippant in your response.

My, a bit touchy aren't we? Lol

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swift996 · 02-03-2014, 10:03 AM

I bought a flowmaster cat-back and will install and hit the dyno (hopefully before the weekend).

For those interested in the boost plot, this is on e85 with the 72.5mm pulley (intercooled)

Ryan86 · 02-03-2014, 11:44 AM

72.5mm gave me 10.8psi on 91oct. So the kits are performing pretty much on par

DarrenDriven · 02-03-2014, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by evan

Noticed too. @stockysnail Might wanna have Bobby check that out. Mine is flat across the powerband.

@NickFRS -- when Bobby retuned your car did they charge you for the dyno time? He just put a new tune into my car, but they didn't throw the car on the dyno after... which seems really strange to me.

swift996 · 02-03-2014, 02:44 PM

Again! WARNING on those supplied bolts. Opened my hood to check my coolant level and two of the bolts broke. The tops just came right off. They were properly torqued.

Boxer486 · 02-03-2014, 02:55 PM

Ouch! They should be supplying those higher grade bolts with the black oxide finish at a minimum. Thermal change and vibration must be too much.

TemeCal · 02-03-2014, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by swift996

Again! WARNING on those supplied bolts. Opened my hood to check my coolant level and two of the bolts broke. The tops just came right off. They were properly torqued.

I have two that broke off as well. In fact, one of them is the same bolt you had snap.

Let me know how successful you are extracting the bolt. I've been putting off extracting them.

Ryan86 · 02-03-2014, 03:16 PM

I mentioned this problem awhile back, got told I over tightened.

I replaced all the bolts with black high tensile as Boxer 486 picture. Especially the pulley nuts, which I've snapped 2 with changing pulleys.

My mechanic used a hex head, knocked into the broken bolt and came out easy.

swift996 · 02-03-2014, 03:17 PM

Also FWIW, I tried to merge two logs I captured from EcuTek on some pulls with the 72.5mm (intercooled) and the 75mm (non-intercooled), take it with a grain of salt:

02-02-2014, 04:12 PM	#3127
evo4g63 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Drives: 2016 Subaru WRX Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 979 Thanks: 235 Thanked 329 Times in 231 Posts Mentioned: 33 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	^^ I had this issue for the longest time. Revised ROM from Toni at FA20club took care of it now. Car down low drives like it did stock. __________________ -2016 Subaru WRX -2013 Scion FR-S: Wastegated Vortech V3'd, E85 SOLD

02-03-2014, 10:03 AM	#3129
swift996 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Drives: Subaru BRZ Limited 6MT Location: Winston-Salem, NC Posts: 2,432 Thanks: 712 Thanked 954 Times in 545 Posts Mentioned: 47 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I bought a flowmaster cat-back and will install and hit the dyno (hopefully before the weekend). For those interested in the boost plot, this is on e85 with the 72.5mm pulley (intercooled) __________________ Innovate Supercharged Black Limited BRZ 6-Speed MT(Build Thread) 2010 Cadillac CTS-V Sedan M6 w/550whp (Build Thread)

02-03-2014, 02:44 PM	#3132
swift996 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Drives: Subaru BRZ Limited 6MT Location: Winston-Salem, NC Posts: 2,432 Thanks: 712 Thanked 954 Times in 545 Posts Mentioned: 47 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Again! WARNING on those supplied bolts. Opened my hood to check my coolant level and two of the bolts broke. The tops just came right off. They were properly torqued. __________________ Innovate Supercharged Black Limited BRZ 6-Speed MT(Build Thread) 2010 Cadillac CTS-V Sedan M6 w/550whp (Build Thread)

02-03-2014, 03:17 PM	#3136
swift996 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Drives: Subaru BRZ Limited 6MT Location: Winston-Salem, NC Posts: 2,432 Thanks: 712 Thanked 954 Times in 545 Posts Mentioned: 47 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Also FWIW, I tried to merge two logs I captured from EcuTek on some pulls with the 72.5mm (intercooled) and the 75mm (non-intercooled), take it with a grain of salt: __________________ Innovate Supercharged Black Limited BRZ 6-Speed MT(Build Thread) 2010 Cadillac CTS-V Sedan M6 w/550whp (Build Thread)

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Powersfrs Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Drives: Frs Location: Westside Posts: 158 Thanks: 38 Thanked 58 Times in 40 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Sorry I'm a noob at this!!!...so will I feel the torque if I'm driving normal n shifting around 3300~ Or will I only feel it when I'm at wot

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Ryan86 Road Warrior Join Date: Nov 2012 Drives: Toyota 86 Satin Pearl White Location: Durban, South Africa Posts: 1,651 Thanks: 181 Thanked 544 Times in 359 Posts Mentioned: 59 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	72.5mm gave me 10.8psi on 91oct. So the kits are performing pretty much on par

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Ryan86 Road Warrior Join Date: Nov 2012 Drives: Toyota 86 Satin Pearl White Location: Durban, South Africa Posts: 1,651 Thanks: 181 Thanked 544 Times in 359 Posts Mentioned: 59 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I mentioned this problem awhile back, got told I over tightened. I replaced all the bolts with black high tensile as Boxer 486 picture. Especially the pulley nuts, which I've snapped 2 with changing pulleys. My mechanic used a hex head, knocked into the broken bolt and came out easy.

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