so this happened in my neighborhood last night....

[EAGLE5]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Didn't need to read the article, I am fully aware of the origin of the flag, and didn't vote for either design when it was put up for a public vote. It should have been a clean sheet design.

Then again, just about every flag in the world has seen human suffering and atrocities committed under it, or some form of it's current state. Sometimes it's good to have a reminder of the crap we humans can do to each other so we try not to repeat it.

The Florida flags of the past 70+ years were specifically chosen to commemorate a racist, traitorous, murderous, evil past. They are symbols of white supremacy.

Confederate monuments are not reminders of the horrible past in order to avoid repeating them. They are glorifications of a racist, traitorous, murderous, evil past. It's like building a glorious statue of Hitler and saying that it's just a reminder of German history. There's a reason Germany abandoned the Nazi flag. If they readopted it, it would not be a sign of pride over being German. It would be a sign of Nazi beliefs.

Also props to you for not voting for that garbage.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by jsimon7777

Also props to you for not voting for that garbage.

We're closer on the whole issue than you probably think we are. My only point is there are good and bad people everywhere, it has no geographic bounds, and it may not be the same issue but there are issues. Probably always will be, but it has improved, it ebbs and flows but it improves.

[Impureclient]

Originally Posted by jsimon7777

Any state that was part of the Confederacy should be avoided by all thinking people.

I can't stand Florida but people in CA shouldn't be talking like their state isn't a hole either.

Human poop map of SF:

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by jsimon7777

Yeah, Georgia is on my shit list too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_o...ia_(U.S._state)
Since you probably won't read the link, "... a composition that was inspired by the First National Flag of the Confederacy, the Stars and Bars, rather than the Confederate Battle Flag"
In other words, Georgia adopted a subtler Confederate, racist, traitor flag. Don't wanna be too obvious, ya know.

Among 1000 other reasons.

Oh great. Yet another seriously prejudicial and bigoted speech from the scream racist at everybody preacher.

Seems to me the California flag is just a couple of bars and stars short of the Georgia one so it must be even subtler still.

[Impureclient]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Oh great. Yet another seriously prejudicial and bigoted speech from the scream racist at everybody preacher.

Seems to me the California flag is just a couple of bars and stars short of the Georgia one so it must be even subtler still.

Or not so subtle:

"Bear flag: A June 14 Op-Ed about the California flag and the Bear Flag revolt incorrectly referred to U.S. Consul Charles O. Larkin as John Larkin. Ezekiel Merritt’s surname was misspelled Merrit. —
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That frontier town was Sonoma, the land was California, and the rebels, American settlers spurred on by promises of help from U.S. Army Captain John Fremont. The rebel standard, the flag of the so-called California Republic, became the California State Flag. It’s time California dump that flag, a symbol of blatant illegality and racial prejudice. Like the Confederate cross of St. Andrew, the Bear Flag is a symbol whose time has come and gone."

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Impureclient

Or not so subtle:

"Bear flag: A June 14 Op-Ed about the California flag and the Bear Flag revolt incorrectly referred to U.S. Consul Charles O. Larkin as John Larkin. Ezekiel Merritt’s surname was misspelled Merrit. —
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That frontier town was Sonoma, the land was California, and the rebels, American settlers spurred on by promises of help from U.S. Army Captain John Fremont. The rebel standard, the flag of the so-called California Republic, became the California State Flag. It’s time California dump that flag, a symbol of blatant illegality and racial prejudice. Like the Confederate cross of St. Andrew, the Bear Flag is a symbol whose time has come and gone."

Well look at that...

"During the secession crisis and the early part of the American Civil War in 1861, California was divided between supporters of the union and supporters of southern secession. Sympathizers of the south in Los Angeles County and San Bernardino County showed support for secession by flying the Bear Flag instead of the Stars and Stripes"




Clearly not the same now though since the bear is on all four legs.

[Impureclient]

A couple suggestions for CA to clear up the whole overtly racist flag thing while subtly keeping the bear to let everybody know how Californians really still feels:

Abandon bear flag:




or maybe homeless bear flag:


Or just keep it simple and abandon all bears:

Nah nah, California is stinky.

[EAGLE5]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

We're closer on the whole issue than you probably think we are. My only point is there are good and bad people everywhere, it has no geographic bounds, and it may not be the same issue but there are issues. Probably always will be, but it has improved, it ebbs and flows but it improves.

I agree with this. Of course there are good and bad people everywhere. There are plenty of conservative people in California, and I'm friends with a few of them.

[EAGLE5]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Well look at that...

[I]"During the secession crisis and the early part of the American Civil War in 1861...

Do you always blatantly cherry pick your facts then spin them like mad, or just right now?

Read the whole article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_California

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by jsimon7777

Do you always blatantly cherry pick your facts then spin them like mad, or just right now?

Read the whole article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_California

I use facts that are relevant to the subject yes. The rest of the write up does not counter that the original flag design was used by the groups that sided with the south.

[86MLR]

My views of some of these issues, as an outsider, keep getting deleted.

If I am posting against the rules tell me, or it it classic censorship.

Keep safe

[echo419]

seems that some "thinking" people need to get educated about the war between the states. saying you're educated and actually being educated are two different things.

sure is hilarious to watch someone that lives in a place like Castro Valley lecture people on "racism".

[ermax]

Wait don’t you know that if you live in a state that ever had a racist then you are automatically a racist? Anyone in the south needs to quit their well paying job and uproot their whole family and move to the bankrupt state or the tax shit hole state. We will be exempt of racists and our IQ will instantly increase.

[echo419]

Originally Posted by ermax

Wait don’t you know that if you live in a state that ever had a racist then you are automatically a racist? Anyone in the south needs to quit their well paying job and uproot their whole family and move to the bankrupt state or the tax shit hole state. We will be exempt of racists and our IQ will instantly increase.

wow, so woke.