Will u remove the spare tire?

[JB86'd]

[HunterGreene]

Originally Posted by Zhangy

There is indeed a difference with 50lb-60lb of weight removed comparable to what you 'should' experience with an empty tank vs full tank.

And the amount of weight you are talking about increases yet again. Yes, 50-60 lbs can make a perceptible difference....but of course, if you keep bumping up the number, it will make it easy to feel. How about this, take yourself out of the car, The car will be over 100 lbs lighter and I am sure you can really feel the difference at that point.

Originally Posted by Zhangy

low fuel with spare removed, the car does feel little bouncier... i've removed and tried.

Once again, you offer no objective testing or proof. Just stop.

[Zhangy]

Originally Posted by HunterGreene

And the amount of weight you are talking about increases yet again. Yes, 50-60 lbs can make a perceptible difference....but of course, if you keep bumping up the number, it will make it easy to feel. How about this, take yourself out of the car, The car will be over 100 lbs lighter and I am sure you can really feel the difference at that point.



Once again, you offer no objective testing or proof. Just stop.

Did you know with 50lb u can lift up the entire car given the right leverage? The fact is that you are removing mass at the rearmost end of the vehicle which has a lot more effect than removing a person's mass right above the centre of the mass.

The car becomes underdamped when the spare and 4/5 tank of fuel is removed at the rear it's as simple as that.

[HunterGreene]

Originally Posted by Zhangy

Did you know with 50lb u can life up the entire car given the right leverage? The fact is that you are removing mass at the rearmost end of the vehicle which has a lot more effect than removing a person's mass right above the centre of the mass.

The car becomes underdamped when the spare and 4/5 tank of fuel is removed at the rear it's as simple as that.

Yes, I am an engineer. With the proper length of lever, fulcrum and right materials (and something to brace them against), I could shift the entire planet with a simple push of my finger. (Thanks, Newton!)

Despite the fact that your point is entirely out of context, once again you fail to show how this affects the car other than incrementally, besides how your butt dyno perceives it.

Let me rephrase: This does not matter day-to-day. Removing the spare tire simply because you feel that the car performs differently/better in your day-to-day driving, frankly, is dumb. I am sure the car will definitely feel different if end up with a flat and you are stuck waiting for a tow truck.

But then again, you say that half a tank of gas is the same weight. So I guess you just like driving around without a full tank. But hey, only getting around 150 miles (sorry, you're in Canada, 242 km) per half fill-up is totally worth the improved feel, right?

I'm done making counterpoints to your nonsensical points. Good luck with your car. Hope you don't run out of gas or get a flat.

[Zhangy]

Originally Posted by HunterGreene

Yes, I am an engineer. With the proper length of lever, fulcrum and right materials (and something to brace them against), I could shift the entire planet with a simple push of my finger. (Thanks, Newton!)

Despite the fact that your point is entirely out of context, once again you fail to show how this affects the car other than incrementally, besides how your butt dyno perceives it.

Let me rephrase: This does not matter day-to-day. Removing the spare tire simply because you feel that the car performs differently/better in your day-to-day driving, frankly, is dumb. I am sure the car will definitely feel different if end up with a flat and you are stuck waiting for a tow truck.

But then again, you say that half a tank of gas is the same weight. So I guess you just like driving around without a full tank. But hey, only getting around 150 miles (sorry, you're in Canada, 242 km) per half fill-up is totally worth the improved feel, right?

I'm done making counterpoints to your nonsensical points. Good luck with your car. Hope you don't run out of gas or get a flat.

You need to take a leap of faith. 50-60lb rear end weight removal is something you can definitely feel in this small light car, certainly felt at low speed 20km/hr breaking.

At the end of the day:

• Your spare as compact as it is, is partly so to reduce load on your vehicle. Some vehicles don't even have a spare in order to be as fuel efficient as possible... It appears that manufactures think this little weight makes a difference.

• Also the truth is that only 50% of the people with spares ever uses them when they have a flat because of the safety and convenience of roadside service.

[DeeezNuuuts83]

Maybe women. I would rather get to where I need to go and put it on myself in 10 minutes rather than wait an hour for AAA.

Also, if your butt dyno is so well calibrated, it should indicate that removing weight from low in the rear of the car will probably make the 53:47 weight distribution a tad more nose heavy too.

[Zhangy]

Originally Posted by DeeezNuuuts83

Maybe women. I would rather get to where I need to go and put it on myself in 10 minutes rather than wait an hour for AAA.

Also, if your butt dyno is so well calibrated, it should indicate that removing weight from low in the rear of the car will probably make the 53:47 weight distribution a tad more nose heavy too.

It's not butt dyno, it's a simple fact you can and will feel the effect of the rear wheel removed

Mighty Car Mods - Budget Track Car - YouTube 10:37

[HunterGreene]

Originally Posted by Zhangy

It's not butt dyno, it's a simple fact you can and will feel the effect of the rear wheel removed

Mighty Car Mods - Budget Track Car - YouTube 10:37

1) Track, not daily driver

2) Wrong car

3) Now I know for sure you are trolling. Have a nice day.

[Zhangy]

Originally Posted by HunterGreene

I'm done making counterpoints to your nonsensical points. Good luck with your car. Hope you don't run out of gas or get a flat.

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2g5MErEAboE"]Mighty Car Mods - Budget Track Car - YouTube[/ame]

10:38-11:42 I'm guessing it's all just in their head?

[HunterGreene]

Originally Posted by Zhangy

10:38-11:42 I'm guessing it's all just in their head?

You don't get it. You simply just do not get it. This is not practical or useful for a DAILY DRIVER. You left out the little bit about the fact that they also took the air box and filter off, increasing flow to the engine which ups HP, which probably did more for the time than taking out the (what appears to be a full size) spare.

I mean, really, you either are truly trolling, or just that dense that you are completely missing the point that this is not something you do for a daily driver.

[Zhangy]

Originally Posted by HunterGreene

1) Track, not daily driver

2) Wrong car

3) Now I know for sure you are trolling. Have a nice day.

lmfao yeah? and I'm sure the acceleration of this thing on track outperforms frs on street

[Zhangy]

Originally Posted by HunterGreene

You don't get it. You simply just do not get it. This is not practical or useful for a DAILY DRIVER. You left out the little bit about the fact that they also took the air box and filter off, increasing flow to the engine which ups HP, which probably did more for the time than taking out the (what appears to be a full size) spare.

I mean, really, you either are truly trolling, or just that dense that you are completely missing the point that this is not something you do for a daily driver.

LMFAO NO THAT IS NOT THE POINT... the point is you can feel the difference the removal of the spare makes as a daily driver. (Just remove and package while low in fuel and the car feels a little more bouncy) <--- this is the claim

[HunterGreene]

Originally Posted by Zhangy

LMFAO NO THAT IS NOT THE POINT... the point is you can feel the difference the removal of the spare makes as a daily driver. (Just remove and package while low in fuel and the car feels a little more bouncy) <--- this is the claim

Not sure why I would want my car to feel more bouncy. Good luck with that. I'm going to do things my way and drive safely, you do things your way and make sure your AAA or roadside assistance is paid up. The small amount of difference you perceive isnt worth the possible headaches. That's MY point.

[Zhangy]

Originally Posted by HunterGreene

Not sure why I would want my car to feel more bouncy. Good luck with that. I'm going to do things my way and drive safely, you do things your way and make sure your AAA or roadside assistance is paid up.

I have my spare re-armed now cuz... yeah