Shopping between BRZ and MX-5. Can't get over torque dip.

[RayRay88]

Basically just ask yourself one question.

Are you ready to drive the shit out of the car at every opportunity?

If yes, then the Twin is better.
If no, then the miata is better.

If you don't, the twin just feels very average in regards to the powertrain.
I'm sure the miata is tons of fun and the linear delivery means you won't have to wring out the engine to get it to hustle.

Suspension/Roll is all subjective as both achieve the same result in different ways.

But, by reading your post on the miata forum, you're looking for any excuse to buy one. Do yourself a favour and get a miata.

[Adam_L]

Originally Posted by Jordanwolf

$$$ I can't afford that enormous price tag.

You gots to pay... to play , if you want that Honda play-thing!

The only Honda worth a dime, the last 13 years, is the S2K , if you want a convertible , and.. .... if you can find a clean, unmolested example , for about $15-20k ..... but two semi-funky things with that car : 1. the digital gauge cluster is .... well Star Trek like, kinda funky , 2. Gas tank is on the drivers side. They were built in the same factory as the NSX

[86MLR]

Originally Posted by KAuss

Well the only dealer working with me today was the Subaru dealer. I might end up with a quote of a Limited with PP in metallic grey under $27,000 or right at $27,000. If I can't get the Android Auto retrofit from Mazda, I might bite on that. Car is going to be fresh off truck in April, and I think the extra $3.5Kish I save initially can be used towards mods immediately. I think the Mazda guy was off today.

Honestly mate, screw working with dealers, they will smile and say they are doing you a deal whilst fisting you.

If it's like here in AU, get a broker, with their buying power you will save thousands.

Do your research though, there are some really good brokers that get their cut from the dealer.

There are others that are basically thieves.

I only ever grab new cars via my broker, every time they were able to beat the dealers "best" deal by thousands.

[HKz]

Originally Posted by KAuss

Dude, I've been on this forum longer than you have. I'm not here to troll. I'm seriously considering. This is the quote I just got today for a series grey.

selling price 27,500
tax 2,344
license 406
tire fee 8.75
Electric reg 30
Total: 30,374

It all boils down to money. If you guys are seriously that defensive about the topic, it's fine, I respect that. Again, someone talking about the S2000 will always mention about the power. Someone talking about the MX-5 ND will talk about the body roll. I'm not going to mention it again, because of how touchy it has become, but yeah, there's still a chance I end up with one. So we'll see. If not, just note that you all have helped me make the decision, I just know how to value it better.

exactly, you've been here that long and yet you still had to make a deal out of the "torque dip". splitting hairs on NA 4 bangers, very hard decision good luck!

[Summerwolf]

Originally Posted by RToyo86

Seems to be a trend now with cars to stick a tablet on the dash. It is lazy, and I hate it.

We have a 2016 cx5, and we actually considered trading it in soon. All mazdas are out because of that dash setup. Its across the board now..... I just kind of forgot how hideous it is.

It's supposed to lower the dash line and give added visibility, but then you're forced to look at garbage inside and its noticeable when walking away.

[Summerwolf]

If you're seriously about to spend 30k on a 4 banger rwd car of any type.... why aren't the mustang / Camaro in this equation? Look at a 1le turbo Camaro and have everything you want with no torque dip.

Either way, dont buy a brz. It's not the car you want and you're just wasting a salesman's time.

[alex87f]

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

If you're seriously about to spend 30k on a 4 banger rwd car of any type.... why aren't the mustang / Camaro in this equation? Look at a 1le turbo Camaro and have everything you want with no torque dip.

Either way, dont buy a brz. It's not the car you want and you're just wasting a salesman's time.

Reverse psychology.. I like that!

On a side note regarding engine torque, I just got my hands on a V50 T5 (6spd) for the next few days, and it doesn't feel much livelier down low than the twins, despite being a turbo 2.5L.

[Summerwolf]

Originally Posted by alex87f

Reverse psychology.. I like that!

On a side note regarding engine torque, I just got my hands on a V50 T5 (6spd) for the next few days, and it doesn't feel much livelier down low than the twins, despite being a turbo 2.5L.

Reverse psychology? just no....

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by cjd

...As you've noted, the loud-mouth twin drivers are all on the younger side and insist everything is done wrong from the factory and needs to be fixed... usually in grandly horrible fashion, no less. ...

Well, to be fair, that's a universal truth about pretty much any car since the beginning of car time. I suspect it also happened with chariots, horse and buggies, etc....

[why?]

You keep bringing up audio. If you are going to do an audio build you are going to dump the head unit. The audio quality in all subaru's are terrible, and I guarantee someone has made an inexpensive way to remove that awful tablet and that entire panel and put an actual good head unit in it. Do not put the head unit in play, the sound quality of subarus are horrific.

Originally Posted by Tcoat

You really need to make that your sig! How often have you been asked that in here now?

A few times. I find it funny. I understand people not expecting anyone to want to live here, as it is sort of rural. But the rent is unbeatable, and it is only an hour away from Cary and Raleigh.

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

Well, that radio/dash is enough to make me never want an mx5.

I bet someone already has an easy way to remove it and put a real head unit in there, plus I bet selling it will net a nice amount of cash.

[Summerwolf]

Originally Posted by why?

I bet someone already has an easy way to remove it and put a real head unit in there, plus I bet selling it will net a nice amount of cash.

There isn't so far. First time I saw one I tried to remove it off the dash, lol. It isnt the head unit as the gross placement. The head unit itself works off touch or a knob setup in the center console area, and works fairly well!

All the aftermarket kits do is just put a different head unit / tablet in the same spot.

[cjd]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Well, to be fair, that's a universal truth about pretty much any car since the beginning of car time. I suspect it also happened with chariots, horse and buggies, etc....

While I've encountered the modding crowd, I've never the entitled whiners I've tripped over here. I haven't owned many cars though...

[Summerwolf]

Originally Posted by cjd

While I've encountered the modding crowd, I've never the entitled whiners I've tripped over here. I haven't owned many cars though...

It's all the same. Just wait until you buy a performance oriented, drivers' car and the most active area of the forum is related to garage storage and detailing.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by cjd

While I've encountered the modding crowd, I've never the entitled whiners I've tripped over here. I haven't owned many cars though...

Dude this forum is nothing compared to the Facebook groups!
Hell, it is better than many other forums. Go give NASIOC a gander. The nice part here is that most of the truly annoying entitled snowflakes don't stay long since we are "just a bunch of assholes and don't understand or respect their needs". Oh the hate mail PMs I have collected from that crowd.