FR-S vs. 370z, end all be all of discussions

[Allch Chcar]

Originally Posted by n2oinferno

I'm willing to bet that this is one of the rare occasions that Ford's site might have a typo, since every other source lists it at ~3450 and the new engine actually weighs less than the outgoing one.
http://www.edmunds.com/ford/mustang/...33&PID=4145469
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/201...rd-mustang-v6/
http://www.caranddriver.com/news/car...hotos_and_info
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...t_numbers.html
That or the GT is just much lighter than the V6?
http://www.ford.com/cars/mustang/com...vehicles=30918

The 2012 safety regs made a lot of cars balloon in weight. Either that or it killed them outright. In 2000 the v6 Mustang was closer to 3100lbs. The same amount as a 2011 RX-8...

I love the RX-8 except it's a bit heavy, the engine is unique but it's thirsty, and the RX-8 starts at $26k. Most of the car mags put it in the same category as the Nissan Fairlady, BMW 1 series, etc. So I don't disagree that people will compare the thrifty FR-S with midrange models. The sports car market isn't really that big or diversified anyway.

I've been watching the used RX-8s just in case I could catch one with high mileage for cheap and have my way with it.

[midenginebias]

Because though its handling is decent, 3450 pounds isn't as fun on tight, gradient changing, rural twisties.

I agree with that. Like I said, it just depends on the priorities of the buyer. If it's HP, gas mileage, 2+2 with room with good handling (just not as great as the Miata or Rx8), the Mustang is already available at a 22k price point.

I've been watching the used RX-8s just in case I could catch one with high mileage for cheap and have my way with it.

Me too, especially when the engine runs better when you rev it to redline at least once a day and don't need synthetic to keep it running well. Just keep it topped off, mpg be damned.

[Allch Chcar]

Originally Posted by midenginebias

I agree with that. Like I said, it just depends on the priorities of the buyer. If it's HP, gas mileage, 2+2 with room with good handling (just not as great as the Miata or Rx8), the Mustang is already available at a 22k price point.



Me too, especially when the engine runs better when you rev it to redline at least once a day and don't need synthetic to keep it running well. Just keep it topped off, mpg be damned.

The Rotorheads have adopted using premix to protect the apex seals. Anything to make it reliable!

[midenginebias]

Originally Posted by Allch Chcar

The Rotorheads have adopted using premix to protect the apex seals. Anything to make it reliable!

premix?

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by midenginebias

If it was about bigger luggage, 2 more seats, and more room, then once again, why not just look at a Mustang v6? Lower price point, more room, more luggage, 300hp, 19/31mpg EPA. It already takes a specific enthusiast to find a Miata buyer now considering the competition.

Did I read it correctly? Go w Mustang?

This is my answer to that
[u2b]HPmY2awSCsM[/u2b]

yeah... no thanks

[midenginebias]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Did I read it correctly? Go w Mustang?

This is my answer to that
[u2b]HPmY2awSCsM[/u2b]

Please don't misinterpret what I'm trying to convey. You're pointing out reliability from a transmission made in China, but that has nothing to do with the argument about what a potential buyer may want of a car depending on what his or her priorities are.

What you're doing is like me pointing out to get a Prius if you want a hybrid and saying?

Did I read correctly? Go with a Prius?
http://www.insideline.com/toyota/pri...omplaints.html

[n2oinferno]

Originally Posted by Allch Chcar

The 2012 safety regs made a lot of cars balloon in weight. Either that or it killed them outright. In 2000 the v6 Mustang was closer to 3100lbs. The same amount as a 2011 RX-8...

...

I've been watching the used RX-8s just in case I could catch one with high mileage for cheap and have my way with it.

Right, I should've linked the 2012 models, which remained pretty much unchanged. Ford lists the '11 as the same. Like I said, probably a typo. Hit the sources I linked up for the 2012 instead and they'll tell you the same.

I wouldn't mind an RX8, but I don't really want a rotary. It was second on my list a few years ago but I ended up with a GTI instead. If I had one now, you can bet I'd bastardize it with an LS swap as soon as I possibly could. They are getting way down in price though.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by midenginebias

Please don't misinterpret what I'm trying to convey. You're pointing out reliability from a transmission made in China, but that has nothing to do with the argument about what a potential buyer may want of a car depending on what his or her priorities are.

What you're doing is like me pointing out to get a Prius if you want a hybrid and saying?

Did I read correctly? Go with a Prius?
http://www.insideline.com/toyota/pri...omplaints.html

Ha! Another Prius events huh? That's funny!! Again NHTSA is milking more $ out of Toyota. What NHTSA & NASA found from last recall/bug on Toyota? Nothing! Just covering up Ford & GM's recalls and making Toyota recall big news.

and Prius is an option. I wouldn't recommended it, but it is an option for some ppl.

Gas mileage is important, but reliability isn't one of the thing to think when you're buying a car? General spec is nice to debate and all, but reliability stuff is important in my view too. Yes, it's impossible to argue/debate on reliability about a car when it's not even release w full spec or even full safety specs or what kind of bug this car gonna have.

Also you claim Mustang have bigger luggage/cargo (13.4 cu-ft) that's 1 cu-ft bigger than Corolla... so it's not the biggest or smallest. Now, do you know the luggage/cargo size of FR-S? Cuz I sure wanna know. You're stating as this car gonna have extremely small luggage/cargo. I highly doubt FR-S gonna beat Mustang's luggage/cargo size, but it doesn't really need to. SCION VP stated this car gonna have enough space to put racing tires and go to track for it (or something like that), I think, it's gonna have fairly big space. Am I wrong?

Edit: Add to that, interior. How do you know Mustang gonna have bigger interior room than FR-S?

[Allch Chcar]

Originally Posted by midenginebias

premix?

Premix thread on RX8club
http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=99636
The argument is that Mazda was limited in the amount of oiling they could design the Renesis for by emissions so they sacrificed reliability so the engine could pass emissions. The Rotorheads put it in the gas tank like most 2 strokes.

Originally Posted by n2oinferno

Right, I should've linked the 2012 models, which remained pretty much unchanged. Ford lists the '11 as the same. Like I said, probably a typo. Hit the sources I linked up for the 2012 instead and they'll tell you the same.

I wouldn't mind an RX8, but I don't really want a rotary. It was second on my list a few years ago but I ended up with a GTI instead. If I had one now, you can bet I'd bastardize it with an LS swap as soon as I possibly could. They are getting way down in price though.

The GT Mustang has been about 200lbs heavier than the v6 for decades(when a v6 was offered). The 2011 and 2012 v6 is 3750lbs while the 2011 and 2012 GT is only 3603lbs according to Ford... Weird is all I can say . It sounds like Ford.com has the wrong curb weight for the v6!

The RX-8 might not be around much longer, between emissions and fuel economy it could get the axe if it hasn't already . Matsuda(Mazda) has already announced that they won't be selling it in Europe anymore, don't know what that means for the rest of the world.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Allch Chcar

The RX-8 might not be around much longer, between emissions and fuel economy it could get the axe if it hasn't already . Matsuda(Mazda) has already announced that they won't be selling it in Europe anymore, don't know what that means for the rest of the world.

What? 8 gonna be stopped in UK? Wow~ well I guess, in few yrs Mazda is planning to bring out 7 again, so I guess 8 won't be needed... but still sad

[Allch Chcar]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

What? 8 gonna be stopped in UK? Wow~ well I guess, in few yrs Mazda is planning to bring out 7 again, so I guess 8 won't be needed... but still sad

It was announced in April of last year.
http://www.autoblog.com/2010/04/14/r...y-into-europe/

[n2oinferno]

Pretty sure 2011 is the last model year for the RX8 in the US.

[Dimman]

Could those of you that keep putting up the Mustang V6's numbers as 'proof' the FT86 will fail, please answer this:

Originally Posted by Dimman

Has an enthusiast ever bought a V6 Mustang? I ask this because it seems to me that if an enthusiast is looking at a Mustang (cause that happens to be the type of car they like), it'll be the V8.

The V6 is the Suzy Secretary version of that car, when she is cross shopping Toyota/Scion, she's probably not really looking at the performance characteristics of the car. Probably more about style, features, and economy.

Be honest. If you consider yourself an enthusiast, and you're into Mustangs, would you actually, really buy a V6 Mustang?

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Dimman

Could those of you that keep putting up the Mustang V6's numbers as 'proof' the FT86 will fail, please answer this:



Be honest. If you consider yourself an enthusiast, and you're into Mustangs, would you actually, really buy a V6 Mustang?

Hm... you have a good point. Not bias or anything. If I was a Mustang enthusiast, I'll prob go w V8 instead of V6.

But price tag on V8 is pretty high. Base is around $23k vs GT is $33k right? iirc I remember reading BOSS 302 gonna be around $40k wasn't it?