BRZ ts (yes I know its not a FR-S)

[MikeM7]

My complaint about power isn't so much from a functional perspective. I'm able to pass without a problem, I just find it embarassing how hard the car has to work to do it. You hit that torque dip and it's screaming at the top of its lungs while just barely gaining on the minivan lol. I don't know how people aren't bothered by flooring it, getting a lot of noise, and hardly accelerating.

I think deep down a lot more people feel it's a little underpowered, but they feel like they need to jump to their baby's defense, or maybe justify the purchase to themselves. It's human nature for our subconscious to convince us that our decisions were good.. Saw it on brain games

I still wouldn't trade it for a mustang.. I love the car it's just that it's pretty average in terms of acceleration and speed.. And I mean average for modern cars in general, not performance cars. My wife's NA focus feels about as fast as a bone stock 86.

If you think it's fast as lightening good for you, and by all means disregard my bitching. Just giving my point of view. No hard feelings.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman

In stock form, driving the FRS and focus st back to back is pretty noticeable on the highway and even on the streets. Dropping a gear on the FRS to overtake still takes a noticeable amount longer than just flooring it in the st.

When the FRS was modified with header, intake, exhaust etc, it was quite a bit better. Similar to the st as a mater of fact.

ST was one I looked at and I do agree it could pass much faster with just a pedal mash. Don't disagree for one second that there are cars that can do it quicker. It is just the whole "I can't get past minivans" concept that eludes me.

[Quentin]

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman

Definitely racing. Everybody calls these cars racecars so screw it.. I race everywhere all the time.







Hmmmm... I personally can't remember ever giving anybody a hard time for getting an automatic. In fact, I know I've even stated here before that I drove an automatic one and it was better than I expected.



Again, I'm not saying the car is underpowered and it's awful and blah blah blah. I'm saying a little more (or more mid rang torque) wouldn't hurt. Of course, there is aftermarket solutions for that, but it would still be nice to see something extra from the box.



I had a GS intake, tomei EL header, and OFT and thought it was just the right amount of power for the car. The extra torque from a UEL would have been nice but o personally hate the sound.



I find it amusing though that people like to dismiss anybody's reasoning for wanting more power from the car, as if everybody wants the exact same thing from the car.

I, too, found the AT pretty enjoyable. I wasn't saying that you specifically said the AT was bad, but it is a theme around here.

My point is that this was never a car designed to press a button and a thing happens. It works the driver as much as you work the car. And that is very rewarding, IMO. You get a fantastic man and machine sensation when you time that gear drop to the right gear where you are in the fat part of the powerband and slingshot around the car you are passing. You feel the kick in the pants, the exhaust starts singing, and you direct the car to the opposite lane to overtake. It is such a pleasant experience because there is such a clear "correct" way to do it.

Cars like the 2015 WRX, FoST, GTI don't really inspire you to work for it because things can be so automatic (and often you find yourself passing slowly because you thought the torque would be there and it wasn't because you were lugging the engine.... My 2007 GTI taught me that several times). That "manual process" theme carries over to the handling on the twins. The stability control is pretty lenient. The car needs attention else you might end up with a banged up bumper -- 25 degree temps on summer tires taught me this painful lesson. There isn't auto braking of certain wheels to help the car rotate like the GTI, WRX, and FoST. To give more midrange, they'd have skimmed from the top end, IMO. I don't think that would have fit with the intentions of the car.


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[TylerLieberman]

Originally Posted by Quentin

I, too, found the AT pretty enjoyable. I wasn't saying that you specifically said the AT was bad, but it is a theme around here.

My point is that this was never a car designed to press a button and a thing happens. It works the driver as much as you work the car. And that is very rewarding, IMO. You get a fantastic man and machine sensation when you time that gear drop to the right gear where you are in the fat part of the powerband and slingshot around the car you are passing. You feel the kick in the pants, the exhaust starts singing, and you direct the car to the opposite lane to overtake. It is such a pleasant experience because there is such a clear "correct" way to do it.

Cars like the 2015 WRX, FoST, GTI don't really inspire you to work for it because things can be so automatic (and often you find yourself passing slowly because you thought the torque would be there and it wasn't because you were lugging the engine.... My 2007 GTI taught me that several times). That "manual process" theme carries over to the handling on the twins. The stability control is pretty lenient. The car needs attention else you might end up with a banged up bumper -- 25 degree temps on summer tires taught me this painful lesson. There isn't auto braking of certain wheels to help the car rotate like the GTI, WRX, and FoST. To give more midrange, they'd have skimmed from the top end, IMO. I don't think that would have fit with the intentions of the car.


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Trust me I know. The car is a lot of fun to wring out and drive hard:



^this was after owning the car for 4 months. 3rd event. Only had coilovers, LCAs, and a muffler delete. Stock power. Still loads of fun.

While the extra power is not necessary, sometimes it's just nice knowing you have that little extra to use if you choose to. I don't think we need a 350hp fire breathing BRZ sti. But having something come from subaru with maybe an extra 20 or 30 and a bit of weight reduction with an improved chassis/steering and brakes would be an awesome car.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by MikeM7

My complaint about power isn't so much from a functional perspective. I'm able to pass without a problem, I just find it embarassing how hard the car has to work to do it. You hit that torque dip and it's screaming at the top of its lungs while just barely gaining on the minivan lol. I don't know how people aren't bothered by flooring it, getting a lot of noise, and hardly accelerating.

Meh, I just think of it like a little 600 cc crotch rocket versus a big bore. Gotta get on the pipe to make shit happen. Part of the fun for me.

edit: Late to the party. Quentin expressed it quite nicely.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman

But having something come from subaru with maybe an extra 20 or 30 and a bit of weight reduction with an improved chassis/steering and brakes would be an awesome car.

Are we driving the same car?

[Quentin]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

Are we driving the same car?

I'd definitely welcome more weight reduction. The only thing better than light weight is lighter weight! 😄


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[Tromatic]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

Meh, I just think of it like a little 600 cc crotch rocket versus a big bore. Gotta get on the pipe to make shit happen. Part of the fun for me.

edit: Late to the party. Quentin expressed it quite nicely.

Make that a 250 two-stroke.

Originally Posted by Quentin

So, the same board that chastises people for buying an AT complains about a downshift required to make a pass. Shouldn't that be where you show off your elite shifting skills that the AT guys don't have?

<--- drives an MT, loves downshifting to 3rd to make the pass quickly on a country road.

The impression I'm getting is that the people who complain about lack of power are continually getting surprised and caught in the wrong gear or can't figure out how to stay out of the dip.

Perhaps it comes from riding an MC as well. I stay ahead of the car. I would have thought the FR-S/BRZ drivers here would not be passive drivers sitting there like the typical clueless auto-zombie. Somebody here posted about the MT and "driver involvement". There a bit more to that than just shifting a transmission.

ETA: IOW, the car rewards "driver involvement" just like it was designed to do.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by Tromatic

Make that a 250 two-stroke.

Yeah, I keep forgetting 6' 5" isn't normal.

[Tromatic]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

Yeah, I keep forgetting 6' 5" isn't normal.

Jeez, how to you fit in an FR-S?

ETA: Tallest dude I've ever seen got out of a Le Car. No clue how he fit.

[TylerLieberman]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

Are we driving the same car?

Idk... What do you drive? Never heard of an e8h


You're telling me that the improvents that sti made to the brz's chassis, brakes, and steering wouldn't be welcomed?

God forbid anybody welcomes the idea of a company making a variety of improvements to an already good car.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Tromatic

Jeez, how to you fit in an FR-S?

ETA: Tallest dude I've ever seen got out of a Le Car. No clue how he fit.

Pic on here someplace that looks like Ultra is driving from the back seat!

[keonigt]

Does anyone know if the BRZ ts is actually confirmed for the 2016 MY?

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman

Idk... What do you drive? Never heard of an e8h


You're telling me that the improvents that sti made to the brz's chassis, brakes, and steering wouldn't be welcomed?

God forbid anybody welcomes the idea of a company making a variety of improvements to an already good car.

Ah, that's the color code for ultramarine. I was just surprised to hear you talk about it being even lighter. It's been discussed ad nauseum that it's pretty much there especially given the price point.

What chassis/steering improvements? I thought the sti was pretty much ending up like the RS1 - cosmetic stuff.