Toyota Improves 2015 GT86's Dynamics, Adds Shark-Fin Antenna in Europe

[NLS8520]

Originally Posted by Mixlplix

They didnt improve anything; they toned it down. Exact same thing honda did with the AP2 s2000.

Can you please explain why a stiffer bolt setup/more rigid suspension/reworked shocks would be anywhere near (in the case of the S2000 AP2) an engine with changes included increased torque and lower redline? I just fail to see the comparison between the two. Please explain how the 86 will be toned down exactly? It sounds like it be stiffer and more rigid: " The most important update consists of a more rigid fixation of the front suspension and the rear shock absorbers. The increased rigidity is exploited by the reworked shock absorbers, which provide a more stable damping and improved friction control, with Toyota claiming they deliver smoother and more communicative handling."

Please correct me if I am not accurate?

[B3yondL]

Originally Posted by NLS8520

Can you please explain why a stiffer bolt setup/more rigid suspension/reworked shocks would be anywhere near (in the case of the S2000 AP2) an engine with changes included increased torque and lower redline? I just fail to see the comparison between the two. Please explain how the 86 will be toned down exactly? It sounds like it be stiffer and more rigid: " The most important update consists of a more rigid fixation of the front suspension and the rear shock absorbers. The increased rigidity is exploited by the reworked shock absorbers, which provide a more stable damping and improved friction control, with Toyota claiming they deliver smoother and more communicative handling."

Please correct me if I am not accurate?

He's just mad that he has some year before the 2015 one.

Let's just this out of the way; the 2015 model is better than the prior models. Sure the difference might be small, but it's still there. Sorry guys, just gotta deal with it.

[stevesnj]

Originally Posted by B3yondL

He's just mad that he has some year before the 2015 one.

Let's just this out of the way; the 2015 model is better than the prior models. Sure the difference might be small, but it's still there. Sorry guys, just gotta deal with it.

Good point.

[Wilsonk227]

Originally Posted by Badasi12b

Thanks man! I have some testing to go do. lol

no problem! anytime

[stevesnj]

Road&Track put's in their opinion on the Euro upgrade GT86 to cross the pond

"The 2015 Scion FR-S will probably get upgraded Euro suspension
The tweaks on the 2015 GT86 will likely cross the pond."

If you were expecting a power increase, prepare to be disappointed. So far, there's nothing in the cards that says any version of the 86 will be getting more grunt. But there's a good chance that the Scion FR-S, at least, will get the suspension upgrades just announced for Europe.

Those tweaks are just the sort of continuing development that lines up with Chief Engineer Tetsuya Tada's vision for the cars, which has guided the entire project: perfecting the handling, and the driving experience, while leaving power output unchanged. Specifically, these changes involve more rigid mounts for the front suspension and rear shock absorbers. That allows for a different dampening rate for all corners. The end result, Toyota claims, is less body roll and crisper steering feel. And that sounds fine to me.

If those sound like things the 86 triplets already excel at, you're right: they do. But perfecting the pretty great is really an engineer's M.O., so you can't fault them for it. Otherwise, the 2015 GT86's changes are fairly minor; in addition to the suspension changes, there's a new carbon-fiber dash treatment and a redesigned shark-fin antenna.

Scion says we'll know more about the 2015 model year changes to the FR-S in a couple of weeks, but in the meantime we can "probably" look forward to the suspension changes carrying over, according to a spokesperson—along with other unspecified changes, likely as minor as what changed elsewhere in the GT86.

Source: http://www.roadandtrack.com/go/news/...?src=soc_fcbks

[vh_supra26]

The Toyota GT86, Scion FR-S and Subaru BRZ are all the same car, but each is not created equal depending on where in the world they will be sold.

In the European market, the Toyota GT86 is getting some better suspension parts for the 2015 model year, which may eventually find their way into the North American Scion FR-S.

The improvements include stiffer mounts for the front suspension and rear shock absorbers, along with new rear shocks for improved damping and less friction. Toyota claims that this will give the car sharper steering and less body roll.

These advances were announced specifically for the European market, but Toyota is considering bringing these changes to the Scion FR-S as well. “The European changes are among those being considered for the US model FR-S and we’ll have final confirmation soon,” Toyota spokeswoman Nancy Hubell told Autoblog.

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2...come-fr-s.html

[vh_supra26]

Press Releae

Toyota GT86 Model Year '15
The perfect dynamics - improved

• Even better handling and stability thanks to increased suspension rigidity and retuned shock absorbers
• Improved interior thanks to new instrument panel finish
• Introduction of a shark-fin type antenna for better aerodynamics and bolder look

Brussels, Belgium, 16 Apr 2014 - Since the launch of the GT86 in 2012, the engineering team has continued development to further improve the already universally acclaimed dynamics of the car.

Chief Engineer Tetsuya Tada said: "There is no reason that development should stop, only because the vehicle has gone on sale. GT86 is all about driver involvement, and we are committed to keep enhancing this aspect of the car. The 2015 Model Year delivers the latest status of GT86's continuous evolution."

The foundation of the upgrade is a more rigid fixation of the front suspension and the rear shock absorbers.

The potential of this increased rigidity is fully exploited a rework of shock absorbers. They provide a more stable damping and improved friction control, delivering smoother and yet more communicative handling. Body-roll is further reduced, and the steering feel is even crisper than before.

The suspension upgrade is designed to make it easier again for the driver to read the road, giving him all the confidence he needs to control the car, when it's driven on the limit.

The '15 Model Year also benefits from a new carbon-fibre motif dashboard insert, for a more premium appearance.

On the exterior, a shark-fin antenna has been adopted to improve both looks and aerodynamics. A new pearl-white and a new silver paint finish complete the '15 Model Year update, which will be available throughout Europe from summer.

[Mixlplix]

Originally Posted by NLS8520

Can you please explain why a stiffer bolt setup/more rigid suspension/reworked shocks would be anywhere near (in the case of the S2000 AP2) an engine with changes included increased torque and lower redline? I just fail to see the comparison between the two. Please explain how the 86 will be toned down exactly? It sounds like it be stiffer and more rigid: " The most important update consists of a more rigid fixation of the front suspension and the rear shock absorbers. The increased rigidity is exploited by the reworked shock absorbers, which provide a more stable damping and improved friction control, with Toyota claiming they deliver smoother and more communicative handling."

Please correct me if I am not accurate?

Actually u r quite inaccurate and have not done your homework on the s2000 before u opened your mouth. Go do some home work and find ALL the changes honda made. Then u may understand what i meant. Also u dont know much about suspension tuning. Stiffer suspension doesnt mean better. Its about where and how much it is stiffened. By stiffening the front they dial in more understeer therefore decreasing the tail-happy nature of the 86. So, it becomes toned down for less skilled drivers like u.

[NLS8520]

Originally Posted by Mixlplix

Actually u r quite inaccurate and have not done your homework on the s2000 before u opened your mouth. Go do some home work and find ALL the changes honda made. Then u may understand what i meant. Also u dont know much about suspension tuning. Stiffer suspension doesnt mean better. Its about where and how much it is stiffened. By stiffening the front they dial in more understeer therefore decreasing the tail-happy nature of the 86. So, it becomes toned down for less skilled drivers like u.

U mad bro? Not cool. I was polite and was asking a simple question, how about simply explaining why you feel that way and leave out the rest. Your response is tinged with arrogance and a holier than thou attitude. This is a forum, people discuss things on here... These changes are seemingly positives for the MY15' twins. I have faith these changes made are ones to better the car, and lets face they are very minor. I never recall providing my level of driving skill either, so don't assume. You make an A$$ out of u and me. My post was not meant to be a come at me bro post, I was asking for clarification so instead of being defensive, why not explain like a man?

[Jeff Lange]

The FR-S is getting the updated suspension like other countries are getting.

Originally Posted by TRD_86

Notice the roof interior has light grey color instead of dark black.

The earlier cars in other countries had the same headliner. The 2015 FR-S is keeping the black headliner that the 2013-14 had.

Originally Posted by HunterGreene

Given that the body doesn't really differ that much from the USDM version, there's a pretty solid chance that this will be seen over here too. Yes, the tailpipes are different, but that's because of silly US regulations regarding exhaust pipes. Hopefully there arent any silly regulations involving radio antennas.

The sharkfin antenna will definitely be on North American models.

Originally Posted by tahdizzle

Does that Shark fin, fit a USDM antenna?
If it doesn't, will they produce one just for the US market?

Just wait and see.

Everything I've seen in the catalogs looks like the sharkfin will be direct fit onto older models.

Jeff