Subaru BRZ RA Racing Edition

[Surok]

Originally Posted by WingsofWar

Sorry, took me awhile, i just got off the phone with a seasoned race inspector about Z bends on the forward bar. Apparently FIA does approve of them, but only allows them to be used in sanctioned FIA events for certain situations. This is to weed out and deter cage builders from offering similar systems, because non-oem cage builders should only be encouraged to build pass through dash forward bars with only 1 bend.

Apparently Several GT300 JGTC cars run z bend forward bars in their cage diagrams, and meet JAF and FIA specs. Probably the reason why you only see these kinds of bends in Japanese cars for rally and drifting events.






within 45degrees or strapped to the rear seat lap by the manufacture..Seems to meet FIA regulation to me...

I stand corrected, I apologize.

[WingsofWar]

Originally Posted by Surok

I stand corrected, I apologize.

no need to apologize dude, you did nothing wrong and you're information wasn't exactly wrong either.

Your right that the harness mounting point should be higher, having it at 45 degrees from the shoulder center point isn't exactly recommended even if its within specs.

Your right that the forward bars should be straight and pass through the dash to insure top safety for the driver, rather than have z bends which are at risk of buckling during a crash. So its not exactly recommended even if its acceptable.

Even so, SCCA and NASA and other associations outside of japan doesn't allow that style of z bends anyway unless its for spec racing which isn't exactly competitive.

[fatoni]

looks like it has all been discussed. legal or not, this car does not look safe. maybe the things individually are okay (at best) but the garbage cage combined with a 4 pt harness (google submarining) and a stock seat? it seems to cater more to people chasing the racecar look.

[Soravia]

Don't like the roll cage design. Very obtrusive. Aftermarkets can bring out much better designs.

[WingsofWar]

Originally Posted by fatoni

looks like it has all been discussed. legal or not, this car does not look safe. maybe the things individually are okay (at best) but the garbage cage combined with a 4 pt harness (google submarining) and a stock seat? it seems to cater more to people chasing the racecar look.

I agree, but i also think airplanes don't look safe, and its argumentatively the safest mode of transportation.

I trust data over my own eyes most of the time, and if FIA with its strict guidelines say its safe and does a proper job at protecting a driver, im inclined to believe them. Although im more to be inclined to favor NASA and SCCA race specs personally.

Anyway the point is, one make races or other spec races internationally do not allow forward bars that pass through the dash. Which is why most spec racing in japan, from one make s2k, miata, CTR, ITR, GTR, etc...with approved FIA and JAF race gear is seen as awkward to us. Case in Point Cusco Safety 21 roll cages look horribly unsafe and bolt on for that matter, but they also have data to support that the cages have kept the drivers safe, which is why they are approved for such events. NASA doesn't offer the data to suggest that they are wrong, but why bother risking it in the first place.

Check this S2k out..rolled several times down an embankment (70ft)car mangled, but the shitty looking bolt on cusco cage stayed intact and saved a life...





Not saying NASA and SCCA are better than FIA or JAF, just saying that the cage in the BRZ RA is not as shitty as it seems, and is enough support to save your life in an accident, despite our better judgement.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by WingsofWar

I agree, but i also think airplanes don't look safe, and its argumentatively the safest mode of transportation.

I trust data over my own eyes most of the time, and if FIA with its strict guidelines say its safe and does a proper job at protecting a driver, im inclined to believe them. Although im more to be inclined to favor NASA and SCCA race specs personally.

Anyway the point is, one make races or other spec races internationally do not allow forward bars that pass through the dash. Which is why most spec racing in japan, from one make s2k, miata, CTR, ITR, GTR, etc...with approved FIA and JAF race gear is seen as awkward to us. Case in Point Cusco Safety 21 roll cages look horribly unsafe and bolt on for that matter, but they also have data to support that the cages have kept the drivers safe, which is why they are approved for such events. NASA doesn't offer the data to suggest that they are wrong, but why bother risking it in the first place.

Check this S2k out..rolled several times down an embankment (70ft)car mangled, but the shitty looking bolt on cusco cage stayed intact and saved a life...





Not saying NASA and SCCA are better than FIA or JAF, just saying that the cage in the BRZ RA is not as shitty as it seems, and is enough support to save your life in an accident, despite our better judgement.

i get that it may help but the s2k is a modern car. the a pillars and headrest hoops are structural. i honestly dont know how much of an impact these cages have. i know it "works" so the wont change it and i understand that. the cage in itself isnt where i have issue. the problem is that it comes with the adjustable seat and it doesnt come with a 5/6 pt harness. if i showed up with that setup in any car at any hpde, i dont think i would get to drive

[R2RO]

Can't wait till they begin to import that roll cage into the usa, but it probably won't meet usa standards.

[WingsofWar]

Originally Posted by fatoni

i get that it may help but the s2k is a modern car. the a pillars and headrest hoops are structural. i honestly dont know how much of an impact these cages have. i know it "works" so the wont change it and i understand that. the cage in itself isnt where i have issue. the problem is that it comes with the adjustable seat and it doesnt come with a 5/6 pt harness. if i showed up with that setup in any car at any hpde, i dont think i would get to drive

Your right, being in america no association is going to accept the cage for HPDE over stock class. Which is probably why the RA wont be sold in the US, seeing as how its mainly built to specs only approved in JP. And its not like the US is big on One Make Races other than the Porsche Cup and MX-5 Cup.

Originally Posted by R2RO

Can't wait till they begin to import that roll cage into the usa, but it probably won't meet usa standards.

If i remember right, Toyota was talking about building the dashboard so it would require no modifications to it should be a cage should be installed that used a forward pass through dash bar. If your looking to get into majority of US sanctioned races with an OEM cage, thats the one you should look for as long as it offers harness bars. Otherwise your best bet is to go custom or get autopower to offer a spec cage for us.

[a2cpc]

Pics look like "The Dragon"

[LineNoise]

Rollcage in a car designed for part time street use and with a standard seat belt and reclining seats still in it? Ugh, my skull aches just thinking about it.

I'm assuming they can't get it legalised but at minimum that should be harness only, a proper fixed back racing bucket and padding on the cage as standard. Big steel bars don't interact well with unhelmeted and comparatively unrestrained heads in an accident.

[No Limit Motorsport]

Originally Posted by ATL BRZ

I wanna see more of that oil cooler!

I want to see where they are getting the oil feed source for it from. OEM sandwhich plate?

[RAWR BRZ]

Originally Posted by Beyer Subaru

Yep, welcome to my world.

Every other country on the planet gets all the limited/special editions of these cars for decades and will continue to.

I would have loved to have been able to go out and buy an S204, R205, BRZ S, etc..

We do get special editions.... but they're all cosmetics... mechanical and actual performance beneficial special editions... no...

[Beyer Subaru]

Originally Posted by RAWR BRZ

We do get special editions.... but they're all cosmetics... mechanical and actual performance beneficial special editions... no...

I've never seen a "proper" special edition released in the USDM.

I'm not talking an end of year/model parts bin clearing ie., 2007/10 STi Limited, 2006-7 WRX TR, 2013 WRX/STi pumpkin edition, etc...

I'm talking a full fledged "special" car ie 95 STi RA, 99 RB5, S202/03/04, R205, etc..

Give me any RA, Spec C, Type R/Ra-R, etc.. Give me real, significant, different trims of WRX/STi to choose from and a "special" car that puts the others to shame.

[Beyer Subaru]

Originally Posted by No Limit Motorsport

I want to see where they are getting the oil feed source for it from. OEM sandwhich plate?

Yep. Should be just like the Impreza version - http://www.sti.jp/parts/gdab_impreza/3-11b.html http://www.fizzautosports.com/images...ilcooler_B.jpg

It will have OEM fit and finish but won't stray from the aftermarket approach of install.

You could prolly get two, more complete aftermarket kits and still have money left over compared to the cost of this piece.