Anyone forsee a New Silvia / 240sx to come ?

[meWant]

it kind of looks like a fisker

[Grateful Dave]

The 240sx was nice. It would be nice to see a new version of it but I'm Toyota man. I want the FR-S. We all know Scion is Toyota.

[Snoopyalien24]

Originally Posted by WingsofWar

From a designers point a view, the round bulging fender is aesthetically pleasing. It adds a soft robust line to accentuate large wheels. Because typically the focal point of car art design revolves around the wheel design.

Aerodynamics and engineering are only considered very little if at all in the mind of a designer.

This truth does not apply to the design of a race car.

In your design, their is a lot of Honda S2K around the front mixed with 370 z and G37. Only one thing I don't like - It isn't real lol

Your tallent it too good. Not sure how your not rendering for huge companies. Like that yellow RX-7 you did running in the night, awesome

[quik1987]

It's the Infiniti Essence Concept

[Lonewolf]

Originally Posted by LSxJunkie

So the people who matter in the survival of the company understand that they sell appliances. Yes. 85% of the car buying market could not care less about the capabilities of their cars because they are simply used to transport themselves from point A to point B in varying levels of comfort.



How very nice for you. Staggering market share provides the funds for a volume manufacturer to create cars like the FRS. Those sheeple are actually so much MORE relevant than car enthusiasts like us are. Without the Camry, the FRS doesn't exist. Car manufacturers who sell only passion are corporately funded (VW/Skoda/Seat/Audi/Porsche/Lamborghini/Bugatti/Bentley or Fiat/Chrysler/Maserati/Ferrari) and still have to price their cars out of the average person's grasp to stay out of the red.



Only survives because it was bought and is funded by Proton.

I never said that car companies don't survive because of volume and profit margin. But many if not most car companies were FOUNDED by people with a PASSION and love for cars (BMW, Ferrari, Honda, Toyoda, Lamborghini, even Ford with his assembly line, etc.)...

You really think most car company founders dreamed about making boring appliances?

[Capt Canuck]

Originally Posted by WingsofWar

I guess i ment..is there any company that builds passionate cars for the average consumer. A single car maker that would build cars similar to the Zx6/S15/WRX/GTR at around 15k-50k

By average consumer you mean consumers with national average incomes?
In North America no. Overseas Caterham and Ginetta.

To the OPs musings, doesn't Nissan already make an affordable RWD coupe in the 370z? One that doesn't sell well. I don't see why they'd want to add another one and end up with potentially two poor selling coupes... oops three, with the Altima too.

[M-17]

Originally Posted by quik1987

It's the Infiniti Essence Concept

Wth, that looks like the exact same concept Mazda had a while back. If i still got the magazine I'll scan and throw it up here.

[Snoopyalien24]

Originally Posted by WingsofWar

From a designers point a view, the round bulging fender is aesthetically pleasing. It adds a soft robust line to accentuate large wheels. Because typically the focal point of car art design revolves around the wheel design.

Aerodynamics and engineering are only considered very little if at all in the mind of a designer.

This truth does not apply to the design of a race car.

Hey quick Q Wings.. Do you have any experience with Illustrator from Adobe? I was trying to do some of my design templates, but of coarse, since they're not vector, the resolution sucks when made much bigger or smaller. I ask because I wanted to know if Illustrator was similar to Photoshop.

[Lonewolf]

Originally Posted by LSxJunkie

I'm drinking a Shamrock Shake for breakfast, as long as we're talking about shit that doesn't matter.

Let me point out the causal relevance and link for you.

Car companies would not exist but for the PASSION of the founder(s) for the automobile and the motoring experience.

Such passion has been lost over the years by the new-age CEO's and bean-counters who only care about profit margin and operating expenses.

The deviation from the original intent and aim of the founders is a disconnect between what was meant to be and what has become in modern times.

= Most car companies have lost their roots and forgotten what making, designing, and selling an automobile is all about...PASSION and EXCITEMENT

[M-17]

Originally Posted by LSxJunkie

Henry Ford's mass production and lack of options did not speak to passion and excitement at all. It was about putting the ability to get from point a to point b in every man's hands. That's IT. BMW? BMW got its start building a licensed version of the Austin 7, another mass produced car, economical car designed to bring ease of transport to the masses.

When these car companies were being formed, driving dynamics were not even a consideration. And as long as you're throwing around but-for causation like a 1L, but for the good business practice of designing cars for mass consumption, these companies would not have survived

+1

[Lonewolf]

Originally Posted by LSxJunkie

Henry Ford's mass production and lack of options did not speak to passion and excitement at all. It was about putting the ability to get from point a to point b in every man's hands. That's IT. BMW? BMW got its start building a licensed version of the Austin 7, another mass produced car, economical car designed to bring ease of transport to the masses.

When these car companies were being formed, driving dynamics were not even a consideration. And as long as you're throwing around but-for causation like a 1L, but for the good business practice of designing cars for mass consumption, these companies would not have survived

I knew that you would bring up Ford. Ford not only wanted to bring cars to the masses, he wanted to bring the freedom and thrill of motoring to all people (PASSION for driving) by instituting an efficient production (assembly line) process that made cars more affordable.

Even though BMW started modestly by licensing from others, they forged their identity with cars builty with passion.

I guess there really is no point in arguing since we just see things differently...

By the way, I've moved far beyond being a lowly 1L (I was using simple terms to help you)

[WingsofWar]

most legendary car companies were passionate about mundane personal vehicles for the masses sole for the luxury of transportation.

only until the last 50-60 years were passionate road cars ever made after the following of grass roots dirt racing. IE drags, rallies, and forumla 1 were all from the backwaters and raced by the shittiest of automobiles with virtually no sense of engineering.

Cars started with passion? in what sense? maybe for designing engineers like Enzo after the birth of motorsports. Cant say the same about nissan, honda, toyota. Even mitsubishi's was a by product of the Ford Mass production vehicle.

[Lonewolf]

Originally Posted by WingsofWar

most legendary car companies were passionate about mundane personal vehicles for the masses sole for the luxury of transportation.

only until the last 50-60 years were passionate road cars ever made after the following of grass roots dirt racing. IE drags, rallies, and forumla 1 were all from the backwaters and raced by the shittiest of automobiles with virtually no sense of engineering.

Cars started with passion? in what sense? maybe for designing engineers like Enzo after the birth of motorsports. Cant say the same about nissan, honda, toyota. Even mitsubishi's was a by product of the Ford Mass production vehicle.

Are yo sure about that?

Did you know that Sochiro Honda (the founder of Honda) was a mechanic who raced cars and enjoyed tuning (PASSION) them?

Yes, all these companies instituted efficient production techniques at one point another using Ford as guidance, but their reason for getting into the business is not as cut and dry as you would like to believe.

[WingsofWar]

Originally Posted by Lonewolf

Are yo sure about that?

Did you know that Sochiro Honda (the founder of Honda) was a mechanic who raced cars and enjoyed tuning (PASSION) them?

Yes, all these companies instituted efficient production techniques at one point another using Ford as guidance, but their reason for getting into the business is not as cut and dry as you would like to believe.

am i sure about what?

Honda built Motorcycles, and his first car was built in 63 after the fact that his company took off. From what i understood the S500 was loosely based from a modified motorcycle chassy which was being developed to combat Triumph motorcycles hense the roadster. Also which was his first pro racing experience was in 65. Sounds backwards to me. If the reality was that his racing experience with cars should have been in the 50s before his first car in 63. Then we wouldn't have an argument.

From the history...sounds pretty cut and dry to me.

Among the 400 some car companies that started in the last 100 years, only a hand full of them started with passionate road cars for the driver. Which resulted in getting bankruped, closed down, or assimilated by the big 12.

Also for clarification, my understanding of the passionate car for a driver is built on the premis that the engineer/designer builds the IDEA of a car around the driver. While most successful manufacturers through history has built cars to fit a forumula/mold of the industry.