FR-S/BRZ vs. Genesis Coupe

[er1c]

^ given looks are subjective, what else exactly does the fr-s have going for it? you would all like to believe that it's supposedly superior handling will get it around the track faster than the gc but that hasn't been proven. only thing proven thus far is that the gc has better power to weight ratio.

stepping into the fr-s interior is like going back to the 90's, hopefully the brz will do better. for comparison
FR-S http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attac...1&d=1322712818
GC- http://www.autoguide.com/gallery/gal..._itemId=481346

[Max Schnell]

Until both cars are released and actual performance is tested the only thing that can be compared are the spec numbers and looks. Looks being subjective you are down to just the specs for now.

Real life response, feel and performance are not available for either yet so I would not be too dead set on one or the other. Its nice to have choices.

[Steve]

Originally Posted by er1c

^ given looks are subjective, what else exactly does the fr-s have going for it? you would all like to believe that it's supposedly superior handling will get it around the track faster than the gc but that hasn't been proven. only thing proven thus far is that the gc has better power to weight ratio.

stepping into the fr-s interior is like going back to the 90's, hopefully the brz will do better. for comparison
FR-S http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attac...1&d=1322712818
GC- http://www.autoguide.com/gallery/gal..._itemId=481346

I love the 86 interior, its simple, sporty and suites the car. The interior of the GC looks like any other modern family sedan. Bonus: 90s cars are my favourite.

Compact size? The genesis is noticeably larger and ~600lbs heavier. More nimble, more responsive, more fun. I wish as many do that the 86 was even lighter, but it is still the lightest new affordable FR coupe. (I think? Feel free to prove me wrong)

I'm not expecting the superior handling to get me around the track faster, I could care less. I'm expecting the superior handling and balance to bring a bigger smile to my face while pushing the car to the limit.

If I had the money I would probably buy a Lotus.

[SUB-FT86]

Originally Posted by fatoni

if you are implying that miatas are less powerful than camaros and mustangs then yeah thats spot on. if you are implying that miatas have similar handling characteristics and responses to driver input then you are wrong. i dont think anybody here is saying that the miata is faster than anything because you can drive at wot more. its just more fun at any given (miata attainable) speed to drive the miata

You didn't get what he was saying. A miata is fast around corners because it isn't really all that fast to begin with. I guarantee if you put a much more powerful motor in it then it will have problems around corners unless the suspension gets modified. Most of the cars that get respect for handling other than exotics tend to have weak output motors in favor of handling.

[SUB-FT86]

Originally Posted by Steve

That is your opinion. I feel at the same price point the only thing the GC has going for it is more power...

I would personally purchase the 86 if it costed more than the GC.

The GC has a lot going for it but you are just a fanboy of Toyota so you'll never see it.

2.0 liter turbo engine 274hp/270tq
Sport package that includes Brembo brakes
34 mpg hwy
25k 2.0T Rspec


The FR-S so far got lip kits and other bullshit instead of a TRD Supercharger.

[Steve]

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

The GC has a lot going for it but you are just a fanboy of Toyota so you'll never see it.

2.0 liter turbo engine 274hp/270tq
Sport package that includes Brembo brakes
34 mpg hwy
25k 2.0T Rspec


The FR-S so far got lip kits and other bullshit instead of a TRD Supercharger.

All I you gave me is better power numbers
TRD will have oversized brakes plus I'm sure you could get Brembos on an 86 if you were a Brembo fanboy.
No official MPG for the 86 has been released but I'm pretty sure it will be on par Highway and even better City.
No official pricing for the 86 has been released yet. R-spec gives you a Torsen LSD which is standard on the 86.

[SUB-FT86]

Originally Posted by Steve

All I see is better power numbers

TRD will have oversized brakes plus I'm sure you could get Brembos on an 86 if you were a Brembo fanboy.

No official EPA for the 86 has been released but I'm pretty sure it will be on par Highway and even better City.

No pricing has been released yet. R-spec gives you a Torsen LSD which is standard on the 86.

You didn't get my point about the brembos. It's better to get it standard than to pay 5k out the pocket just to put it on. You probably have never driven a GC and just hate it because it's made by Hyundai.

[Steve]

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

You didn't get my point about the brembos. It's better to get it standard than to pay 5k out the pocket just to put it on. You probably have never driven a GC and just hate it because it's made by Hyundai.

Quite the opposite, I owned a used Tiburon for 2 years and quite liked it for sporty transportation. I test drove a 2010 2.0T GC back in 2009 while the Tib was being serviced, and have nothing but respect for Hyundai's first mass produced sports car.

I'm just trying to show that there are reasons to purchase a less powerful, smaller car for the same amount of money. The 86 and BRZ reviewers are praising things like the steering, responsiveness, agility and balance of this car. For some people those are more important than numbers, which is why some people are excited about this car.

But hey, once both released they can finally be compared in more areas than just numbers. I think if they are priced similarly there will be no clear winner in which car is the better buy and it will end up being up to the buyers bias.

[Ryephile]

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

The GC has a lot going for it but you are just a fanboy of Toyota so you'll never see it.

.....

To counterpoint, coming from the perspective that I want a small, light, simple sports car, the Genesis Coupe has a lot going against it:
*It's too big
*still too big
*rather portly
*size: XL
*ugly [IMO that window belt-line is hideous]
*cheap & crappy feeling interior
*turbo engine [yes, that's a negative]

All of those add up to shove me well out of the range of being interested in the car. Frankly, even if it was attractive and had a great interior, it's simply too big a car for me to bother considering it. For me, it's case closed.

[er1c]

^ to each his own, like i said before if the price is right

the cheap and crappy interior is no longer cheap and crappy according to hyundai suggesting they have made improvements due to reviews and complaints.
all your points are valid except why do you consider the FI to be negative?

[Khyron686]

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

You didn't get my point about the brembos. It's better to get it standard than to pay 5k out the pocket just to put it on. You probably have never driven a GC and just hate it because it's made by Hyundai.

You just don't get how BIG it is. It's a MUSTANG. It's based on the Genesis chasis which is a huge sedan. Every point you make for the GC could be made for the v6 Mustang.

If you're over 6' I can see the GC fitting better.

I personally love the GC refresh, and with 2 little kids it might be a better fit overall, but the FRS is going to be driven before anything else is bought.

[Ryephile]

Originally Posted by er1c

^ to each his own, like i said before if the price is right

At no point did I mention price. I don't care if it's free, it's the wrong physical size. You don't buy underwear that's 3 sizes too big just because it's on sale, do you?

[er1c]

Originally Posted by Ryephile

At no point did I mention price. I don't care if it's free, it's the wrong physical size. You don't buy underwear that's 3 sizes too big just because it's on sale, do you?

i meant i could see myself in the FR-S if it's priced where I would like to see it.

But why do you consider FI to be bad?

[Ryephile]

Originally Posted by er1c

i meant i could see myself in the FR-S if it's priced where I would like to see it.

But why do you consider FI to be bad?

I didn't say "FI" was bad, I said turbo [and I implied gasoline] was a negative. At this point in my life I'm not interested in entertaining boost threshold or lag. This is discussed ad-nauseam in the engine sub-forum.

Also, I sat in the refreshed GC at NAIAS. I'm still not impressed. Hyundai's interiors are much better in every other car but the GC. Nevertheless, the car checks too many negative boxes, the most egregious being its size.