FR-S/BRZ vs. Genesis Coupe

[Dark]

Originally Posted by cassidy0998

Cool, have fun fitting 4 people in your 350z. The GC and FR-S are both 2+2s. That's one main reason that makes this argument valid, as many of us want the extra seats - Not to turn it into a weekend track car. We aren't talking about Z cars.



That saying only goes so far, the GC is going to have its fair share of changes in the handling department as well. Just because the FR-S has been marketed as being one of the best handling cars around doesn't mean that the GC won't stand a chance, especially being that it will pack more power. You have to find the middle ground. Seems like the GC will possibly be closer to the fine line than the FR-S when it comes to power/handling combined.

Does everyone need a car that can fit 4 people? Last time I remember I had a passenger on the backseat was last year. The back seats in FR-S maybe made for insurance purpose just like what Lexus did to SC430.

Just because the ugly(objective) is packed with more power doesn't mean everyone will buy one especially when I'm not a fan with the fish front.

Seems like people have forgotten that FR-S was made light to be fun to drive, not to get the best lap time possible. Remember magazine review praise the EPS in FR-S is better than the one in 911? horsepower will be plenty provided by aftermarket.

I will take FR-S interior over GC interior any day. Why would I want luxury knocked off interior that come standard with hard plastic? I spend all my driving time looking what is in front of me and on the screen. I also think FR-S/BRZ interior is perfectly fine the way it is.

[Dragonitti]

Originally Posted by cassidy0998

Cool, have fun fitting 4 people in your 350z. The GC and FR-S are both 2+2s. That's one main reason that makes this argument valid, as many of us want the extra seats - Not to turn it into weekend track car. We aren't talking about Z cars.

Are we not allowed to have more than 1 car? Your comment makes no sense. My 350z was a daily driver.

Originally Posted by cassidy0998

That saying only goes so far, the GC is going to have its fair share of changes in the handling department as well. Just because the FR-S has been marketed as being one of the best handling cars around doesn't mean that the GC won't stand a chance, especially being that it will pack more power. You have to find the middle ground. Seems like the GC will possibly be closer to the fine line than the FR-S when it comes to power/handling combined.

Fortunately enough, that saying goes far enough to raise eyebrows at the track. When you pilot a lower hp vehicle and lighter weight, you spend 90% of your time on the throttle maintain momentum. This can not be said about heavier more powerful vehicles where you will have to utilize braking a lot more. Think of a said corner, go hard at it in a heavy GC, Mustang, Camaro...you will have to slow down to make the turn. Now that same corner could be taken flat out WOT in a Miata. Which scenario do you think will be more fun?

[Dragonitti]

Originally Posted by Capt Canuck

That's great that you are a skilled driver and pass people at track days. I am sure I would be letting you bye me quite quickly.

Now if you spent 1/2 a day lapping in the 2013 GC and 1/2 day lapping in the FR-S I would think - obviously this is just statsheet driving - you would pass more people in the GC than the FR-S. Again this has nothing to do with enjoyment levels - I've never given a toss to who passes whom - but the GC should be a very capable and pacey car.

Ever heard of the saying...."it's more fun to drive a slower car faster, than it is to drive a faster car slower" ?

The GC is to heavy. It's 350z heavy and doesn't have 350z power. That to me is just not the combination I'm accustom to, and why it had poor performance numbers.

[ryude]

Stock sonata turbo puts down 201whp, keep in mind that's fwd with an automatic. I can't see the 2013 gc putting down more than that. I think the frs will end up putting down around 170whp. The gap closes...

[Capt Canuck]

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

Ever heard of the saying...."it's more fun to drive a slower car faster, than it is to drive a faster car slower" ?

Absolutely... which is why I have been eluding to enjoying time on track as opposed to laptimes.

My initial reply was in response to your post saying you'd take a GC with your FR-S. I reckon that would be down to your track experience and as I said before, all things being equal imho the GC will post better times than an FR-S.

As I have said before, I don't care which is faster, but I do not think the GC should be dismissed.

[er1c]

Originally Posted by ryude

Stock sonata turbo puts down 201whp, keep in mind that's fwd with an automatic. I can't see the 2013 gc putting down more than that. I think the frs will end up putting down around 170whp. The gap closes...

dyno graph please...

you can't see a m/t gc rated at 274hp putting down more than 201whp? lol? that has to be a joke, the current model rated at 210hp puts down ~180whp STOCK. a more realistic figure is 230-240whp...

EDIT: i found a graph of the sonata i had seen before. where did you find 200whp? this us spec sonata is putting down more plausible numbers (238whp stock) a 70 hp loss is absurd and like you said this is FWD and A/T. you couldn't be farther from the truth with your estimate...you can believe the m/t gc will dyno around 250whp+...

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6234/...2c78da81_b.jpg

[er1c]

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

Ever heard of the saying...."it's more fun to drive a slower car faster, than it is to drive a faster car slower" ?

The GC is to heavy. It's 350z heavy and doesn't have 350z power. That to me is just not the combination I'm accustom to, and why it had poor performance numbers.

how is 274hp not 350z power? iirc 350z had ~280hp and if you wanna put it up against the z do fairly and compare it to the 3.8...

[SUB-FT86]

I wouldn't argue with theses guys er1c. It's like arguing with a wall.

[er1c]

^i have no hate for the fr-s but damn at least try to see both sides. At the same price point the only thing the fr-s has going for it is the exterior. Id even buy one if toyota is smart and undercuts the gc on price which I honestly believe they will.

[miata]

Hyundai sucks because they offer yellow only for 3.8.

[cassidy0998]

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

Are we not allowed to have more than 1 car? Your comment makes no sense. My 350z was a daily driver.

Cool man, we are talking about the FR-S vs. GC here.

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

Fortunately enough, that saying goes far enough to raise eyebrows at the track. When you pilot a lower hp vehicle and lighter weight, you spend 90% of your time on the throttle maintain momentum. This can not be said about heavier more powerful vehicles where you will have to utilize braking a lot more. Think of a said corner, go hard at it in a heavy GC, Mustang, Camaro...you will have to slow down to make the turn. Now that same corner could be taken flat out WOT in a Miata. Which scenario do you think will be more fun?

Miata guys talk about it all day long. And that's not entirely true, it totally depends on the angle of the curve, the surface conditions, etc. When it boils down to it the main reason this seems so spectacular (being able to go flat out through the curve) is because the the miata can't go as fast as a GC/Mustang/Camaro in a straight. So yeah, they don't have to slow down as much - because they were never going as fast in the straight before the curve!

The Miata will hang better in the curves, but it isn't always about handling when it comes to finishing first.

[SUB-FT86]

Cassidy you're so spot on about the miata scenario.

[fatoni]

if you are implying that miatas are less powerful than camaros and mustangs then yeah thats spot on. if you are implying that miatas have similar handling characteristics and responses to driver input then you are wrong. i dont think anybody here is saying that the miata is faster than anything because you can drive at wot more. its just more fun at any given (miata attainable) speed to drive the miata

[Steve]

Originally Posted by er1c

^i have no hate for the fr-s but damn at least try to see both sides. At the same price point the only thing the fr-s has going for it is the exterior. Id even buy one if toyota is smart and undercuts the gc on price which I honestly believe they will.

That is your opinion. I feel at the same price point the only thing the GC has going for it is more power...

I would personally purchase the 86 if it costed more than the GC.