Has anyone deleted the resonator in the stock airbox? or made a larger snorkel?

[Silver86]

[ChaChas345]

Originally Posted by Silver86

This sierra guy if you look at his other posts is just a hater. He was bitching about the Works drop in filter being BS saying how no independent party has posted a dyno on it. Even with Works offering to Dyno any car brought into the shop to show them the difference.

In that thread he was posting a rant/bitching about them being shady or some shit like that when a page earlier there was someone who dyno'd their car with the Works filter showing it did get some gains. Although there was no baseline anyone can see that it got a decent amount of WHP compared to what other stock FR-S/BRZ's were getting on the dyno stock.

[NickFRS]

Originally Posted by sierra

You can make any theoretical excuses you like but blocking the airflow through the heat exchangers by direct placement of a substantial obstruction will adversely affect the efficiency of the cooling system.
The limit of the system will be met much earlier in adverse conditions and the result of meeting and then exceeding that limit will be overheating and the consequences that causes.

It's a poorly designed intake that counts on a large safety factor in the cooling system to avoid serious overheating problems. Not a good idea for a sports car in Australia.

I'll give you a little science exp. Get someone to drive you down the road. Put your hand out the window. Now put your other hand behind that hand out the window. Put that hand about 2 inchs behind your other hand. I bet you will get some wind on your hand. Once your going over 30MPH the air will actually wrap around an object.

[sierra]

Originally Posted by ChaChas345

Misleading people with your bro science when companies spend lots of money and R & D. Do you honestly think the company didnt think about something like what you said? When companies like Gruppe M and Max Racing make an intake you honestly dont think they would of noticed any problems with the temperature of the car or seen that the car was over heating if it did cause any problems?

If it were a huge concern/problem they wouldnt of developed or sold the part. They arent some random person who is making these them selves. They are a big company that produces parts for this car and many others. Keep your bro science to your self because I doubt Gruppe M/Max Racing or any other well known/respected company who make intakes for other cars w/ similar designs have much more information on development of such parts. I doubt 2 companies like them would of made a similar intake without thinking about any problems that may occur on there 2000 dollar intake that covers even more area than Max Racings.. Especially considering Gruppe M is widely known to create some of the best intakes on the market.

Like the Airaid intake that so many bought that was proven to lose power not make it?

Go ahead and buy it if you want. I'm just commenting on the placement and likely consequences, especially warranty for the cooling system.
If something looks good i'll rave about it, if it looks bad i'll post my thoughts.

[86_ZN6]

Originally Posted by ATL BRZ

I deleted all the resonators on my stock intake. It was easy. With an Apex-i drop in filter I noticed a slight increase in top end power as well as a nice improvement in induction noise. Cleans up the engine bay nicely, too.

$12 worth of parts from Advance

so you used the hitch ball hider to cover the plug?

[ChaChas345]

Originally Posted by sierra

Like the Airaid intake that so many bought that was proven to lose power not make it?

Go ahead and buy it if you want. I'm just commenting on the placement and likely consequences, especially warranty for the cooling system.
If something looks good i'll rave about it, if it looks bad i'll post my thoughts.

No one is saying this wont make power. There was already a vendor who I pm'd and asked about how it did on the dyno and they said it got 6 whp so that saying it wont make power is moot. The only "proof" Airaid had was there own dyno and were exposed when drift office or speedfactory did an intake shoot out. When you are the first person in the market with a new product for a new car it is easy to see how intrigued people are by it.

Many companies like Airaid and Agency Power made a lot of money off people who were the first adopters. Mad respect to them for trying them out otherwise we would of never of known if those companies would of kept putting out bad products. They got exposed once people who dyno'd their products. Which is something everyone in this community can learn from in the future. Agency Power has been known for doing things like that in the past on other Subaru forums which is why they were banned from all the major forums that have to do with Subaru. It was a shame that they still continued their business style even when given a clean slate by the mods here.

Gruppe M is a company that is known world wide and known to make some of the best intakes for many cars and because of there reputation they charge a premium for it. They are known for their quality, craftsmanship, and amount of R & D they do to get the gains they have allows them to charge what they want because they have the best looking/performing intakes for many cars they make for. Max Racing I cant say the same for and before Airaid released there intake I have never even heard of them.

Your the only person who has says otherwise about it effecting the radiator when probably one of the best intake companies made an intake with TWO ducts like this infront of the radiator. Dont go spreading false information when companies who are well respected in the scene produce parts and do the R & D to make sure they dont blow your engine or damage it.

If you dont like it just dont buy it but like I said just because you dont like the design dont go around spreading false information unless you have the facts to back it up. Not bro science facts.

Originally Posted by NickFRS

I'll give you a little science exp. Get someone to drive you down the road. Put your hand out the window. Now put your other hand behind that hand out the window. Put that hand about 2 inchs behind your other hand. I bet you will get some wind on your hand. Once your going over 30MPH the air will actually wrap around an object.

Watch out though cause someone will be dumb enough to keep there hand off the wheel too long and crash

[sierra]

Originally Posted by ChaChas345

No one is saying this wont make power. There was already a vendor who bought it and tested it to make 6 whp so that is moot. The only "proof" airaid had was there own dyno and were exposed when drift office or speedfactory did an intake shoot out.

Your the only person who has says otherwise about it effecting the radiator when probably one of the best intake companies made an intake with TWO ducts like this. Dont go spreading false information when companies who are well respected in the scene produce parts and do the r & d to make sure they dont blow your engine or damage it.

If you dont like it just dont buy it but dont go spreading false information unless you have the facts to back it up. Not bro science facts.

I simply gave that as an example of a product that apparently had R and D but failed to deliver.

I'm free to give my opinion and you're free to give yours. I'm certainly not spreading false information.

As for facts, none of you have given any facts that I can see, just opinions. You might try a little more tolerance of the opinions of others instead of trying to shut them up for not sharing yours.

[Sportsguy83]

Originally Posted by sierra

You might try a little more tolerance of the opinions of others instead of trying to shut them up for not sharing yours.

Its a lost cause...

[sierra]

Another thing worth considering is whether there is actually any advantage having the intake in the area of direct airflow? If the ram effect air pressure up the top where the OEM intake is, matches the air pressure in this intake, then the risks of water injestion and reduced cooling efficiency are a waste of time. It would want to be a decent improvement in intake pressure to counter the negatives of the placement.
Does anyone have any intake pressure figures from the manufacturer to show the pressure gains being assumed?

[NickFRS]

You people have gone way off track. Can yall stop your pissing contest?

[ichitaka05]

Chill out. If not, gladly close this thread

Thanks

ichi

[*KID*]

I actually went from an Injen Intake back to stock. I hated the bog from take off. Put the stock back in and feels wayy better lol. And removed the snornal, and sound tube and sounds really nice. Im looking into just getting a Perrin Silicone Tube and Works filter.

[zooki]

Well, years ago I had a ram air set up on my Mustang that had a scoop that attached under the bumper at the leading edge. I hooked a U Tube manometer to it and drove it at various speeds. I tapped in before the filter, and at 100 MPH there was about 4" of water pressure, which equals roughly 1/7 lb. of pressure. So take it for what it's worth as far as a "ram air" effect. I wasn't impressed, but it did pull in cooler air, and I drove it through many rainy days without ever sucking in any water.

[sierra]

Originally Posted by zooki

Well, years ago I had a ram air set up on my Mustang that had a scoop that attached under the bumper at the leading edge. I hooked a U Tube manometer to it and drove it at various speeds. I tapped in before the filter, and at 100 MPH there was about 4" of water pressure, which equals roughly 1/7 lb. of pressure. So take it for what it's worth as far as a "ram air" effect. I wasn't impressed, but it did pull in cooler air, and I drove it through many rainy days without ever sucking in any water.

The danger with having it down low like that is if you accidently drive into water laying on the road, deep enough to cause a small bow wave. It would fill the inlet and block the airflow even if it didn't make it all the way up and through the system. I know people assume only idiots drive into water like that but in a storm with bad light anything is possible.

Interesting result from your test, at least it was a positive gain.
I used to post in a 4x4 forum and can't remember anyone posting any power gains from fitting a snorkel. You would think that would be a good placement with HP air at the top of the windscreen and a sealed system to keep the water out and the pressure in? Maybe the speed is too low? maybe the intake needs to be bigger?

I still think the area where the OEM snorkel is fitted is a good spot.
It's got HP air that should be cool except for when you stop and that would soon get cleared on the move again. Where the filter is looks the best spot, at least you can get to it easily and maximising the flow might be the best route and result?