Ticking in motor. Normal?

[tofurun]

Originally Posted by Norinradd

Just kinda stuck. I want to go drive this damn cAr this weekend. Also i revved past 5000. Its not in limp mode. I KNOW a tune will help. But its ran worse and had warning lights sonce the dealer fucked with it. So they can deal with it. If they cant then it goes to a tuner i guess

When you WOT does it "Buck". hop/ skip /break up?

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by Norinradd

Im not blowing them off its a circus and i keep getting the same answer. Looking for someone who has experienced this issue. Anyone can formulate an opinion on a car.............

Yep, appears to be a circus for sure.

I have no experience with this issue.

I already given my opinion (suggestion).


humfrz - out

[Norinradd]

Originally Posted by tofurun

When you WOT does it "Buck". hop/ skip /break up?

Yes!!! Sometimes its right off a gear change. Sometimes its mid gear. Its like response gets denied for a second or two. Power dips. Its not at the torque dip because it happens through the whole rpm range at random. Its most noticable when im wot from 1st to 2nd or like after 5000 in 4th or 5th. Its like my pedal isnt responding. I just chalked it up to bad gear shifts. If i dont drop the clutch like a racecar driver it doesnt seem to happen

[Norinradd]

Originally Posted by humfrz

Yep, appears to be a circus for sure.

I have no experience with this issue.

I already given my opinion (suggestion).


humfrz - out

Your opinion doesnt go unappreciated my friend!!

[Norinradd]

Originally Posted by mav1178

CALM DOWN.

Let me tell you what is wrong.

You sprayed the MAF sensor, and now it's running worse than before. That's what is wrong.

As for scanner, here's what you are missing (and I'm using a personal example)

I accidentally pulled on my Aim Solo DL cable once while driving on the freeway. It yanked out and the car immediately went into limp mode (CEL, traction control lights, etc)

It stayed on after I restarted the car. I pulled the code reader out of my glovebox, and cleared the codes. The car drove fine again, until I reconnected my Aim Solo DL. Every time I reconnected it, the CEL will come on and the car will be put in limp mode.

After ruling out other possibilities, I came to the conclusion that my Aim Solo DL cable was the source of the com error and the source of my CEL.

I bought a new cable for $50, and have never had a problem since then.

How does this apply to your situation? You just need the code reader to CLEAR the error codes, and see if it comes back. If it does and you want to work on the car yourself, you need to start removing unknowns/variables. Try finding another MAF sensor from another working car, and see if swapping it (temporarily) will solve your problem. If not, move on to the next thing in your intake. Or if you are unable to clear codes, maybe the OBD-II plug is messed up and you need a new one.

Blame the dealer. Blame the previous owner. Blame Obama. Blame everyone else, but you're the owner of the car...

But you know what? As you already have come to the conclusion that "A 20$ obd wont do shit in this situation", enjoy your weekend of making no progress on fixing your car.

Good luck.

-alex

Alex!! Haha. It wont throw codes! It cant even be read. As i said the dealer couldnt get in to it! I was right with him watching him do it. Kneeled beside him making SURE it was connected and done right. I agree. Having an obd scanner is a worth while investment. But ive owned jeeps my whole life, flick ignition quixk 3 times and codes throw on odometer screen. No need for obd scanner. I wish all vehicles had to have that technology. Right now im on lay off. Dont have money to throw around on a 200$ scanner. Soon buddy! Soon! Haha i will research what one is best. Dont wanna screw around.

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by Norinradd

Your opinion doesnt go unappreciated my friend!!

Your frustration sort of reminds me of some of my actions back-in-the-day.

My grandfather was my go-to automobile advisor, after he passed away, when I was about 13, I was on my own. The setting was back on the farm in Ohio, five miles from the nearest town.

I did most of my automotive work on my 1948 Chevrolet (yes, mine, my other grandfather willed it to me) at night, out in my makeshift workshop in a corner of the barn.

I never did have a manual nor a "Chiltons", till later on. Obviously, no "forums" to consult with. So, with a dim trouble light, some old rusty tools (like a monkey wrench) and tools from the tractors, I started my automotive hobby.

I learned from other people, like the mechanics at my Uncle's dealership and the mechanics/drivers at a milk hauling business, where I worked part time.

Never once, would I have considered taking out my frustrations out on them ...... because they would have just told me to go away .... and not come back!

However, I did take out my frustrations on my tools, and anything else I could get my hands on, by throwing them around the barn.

I recall once, my mother sent my little sister out to the barn one evening, with a message "Mom says suppers ready, if you would like to take a break from throwing stuff around in the barn and come in and eat".

I do hope you get your machine squared away......


humfrz

[kritch]

Originally Posted by humfrz

Your frustration sort of reminds me of some of my actions back-in-the-day.

My grandfather was my go-to automobile advisor, after he passed away, when I was about 13, I was on my own. The setting was back on the farm in Ohio, five miles from the nearest town.

I did most of my automotive work on my 1948 Chevrolet (yes, mine, my other grandfather willed it to me) at night, out in my makeshift workshop in a corner of the barn.

I never did have a manual nor a "Chiltons", till later on. Obviously, no "forums" to consult with. So, with a dim trouble light, some old rusty tools (like a monkey wrench) and tools from the tractors, I started my automotive hobby.

I learned from other people, like the mechanics at my Uncle's dealership and the mechanics/drivers at a milk hauling business, where I worked part time.

Never once, would I have considered taking out my frustrations out on them ...... because they would have just told me to go away .... and not come back!

However, I did take out my frustrations on my tools, and anything else I could get my hands on, by throwing them around the barn.

I recall once, my mother sent my little sister out to the barn one evening, with a message "Mom says suppers ready, if you would like to take a break from throwing stuff around in the barn and come in and eat".

I do hope you get your machine squared away......


humfrz

Much wisdom. OP, ya need to listen to these guys. If you just let them guide you they will probably save you the money you keep saying you don't have. The dealership is probably going to do the opposite. Not that you shouldnt try to get them to correct it. Just don't ignore the power of crowd sourcing vital experience.

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[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Norinradd

Alright well in canada there is no code reader cheaper than 120$. So ill probably
Just bring it to the tuner and get them
To figure it out. Car drives and smells great, Looks great too :p. Im
Assume them reflashing ecu did sometjing to a/f mixture. I dont have the money to spend 120$ plus tax on an obd scanner right now, to just not read it. If dealers 6000$ reader couldnt connect a 5$ one wont. But im
Assuming dealer will ignore everything and jump straight to it having no cats. WELL it ran fine before!! Neverhad any lights on my cluster until
They flashed the ecu. Now they cant even read it. Im
In touch with toyota canada. This is there fuck up

It did not "run fine before". That was why you took it to be reflashed in the first place.

Originally Posted by Norinradd

Ya i have a diagnostic booked for tuesday morning

At the dealer?

Originally Posted by Norinradd

Ive seen that one! I need it today though. The tuner shop nearby will read them for me, they are just busy i dont want to bother them today. Ill buy that for the future though!!

If the dealer can't get to the ECU what can the tuner do?

Originally Posted by Norinradd

Alex!! Haha. It wont throw codes! It cant even be read. As i said the dealer couldnt get in to it! I was right with him watching him do it. Kneeled beside him making SURE it was connected and done right. I agree. Having an obd scanner is a worth while investment. But ive owned jeeps my whole life, flick ignition quixk 3 times and codes throw on odometer screen. No need for obd scanner. I wish all vehicles had to have that technology. Right now im on lay off. Dont have money to throw around on a 200$ scanner. Soon buddy! Soon! Haha i will research what one is best. Dont wanna screw around.

Of course it can throw codes. They just can't be read.

Your history of threads would seem to indicate you really do not have a clue what is going on and at this point I am no longer sure what the actual sequence of events has been. You want help but then argue every point brought forward.

I may have solved your cel mystery though. In your other thread you stated that you cleaned the maf and installed a new OILED filter. You then ran the car for about 40 kilometres and got the cel. Well an improperly oiled filter will foul a maf and throw a cel in a heartbeat. The 40 kilometres driven would be just about the perfect distance to suck in enough oil to mess things up but good.
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106934

Of course you are now blaming the whole thing on the flash but in the beginning you said it was all good before you messed with the maf and intake. I think you need to stop messing with things, drop your car off at the dealer, and let them work on it without kneeling beside them (what dealer lets sombody in the shop while actively working on their car in the first place?). Although I guess at this point if they tell you the maf is fouled and it is not covered by warranty due to the after market oiled filter you are not going to believe them anyway and say that they screwed it up somehow.
Good luck. I am outta this one now.

[soulreapersteve]

[Norinradd]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

It did not "run fine before". That was why you took it to be reflashed in the first place.


At the dealer?

If the dealer can't get to the ECU what can the tuner do?


Of course it can throw codes. They just can't be read.

Your history of threads would seem to indicate you really do not have a clue what is going on and at this point I am no longer sure what the actual sequence of events has been. You want help but then argue every point brought forward.

I may have solved your cel mystery though. In your other thread you stated that you cleaned the maf and installed a new OILED filter. You then ran the car for about 40 kilometres and got the cel. Well an improperly oiled filter will foul a maf and throw a cel in a heartbeat. The 40 kilometres driven would be just about the perfect distance to suck in enough oil to mess things up but good.
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106934

Of course you are now blaming the whole thing on the flash but in the beginning you said it was all good before you messed with the maf and intake. I think you need to stop messing with things, drop your car off at the dealer, and let them work on it without kneeling beside them (what dealer lets sombody in the shop while actively working on their car in the first place?). Although I guess at this point if they tell you the maf is fouled and it is not covered by warranty due to the after market oiled filter you are not going to believe them anyway and say that they screwed it up somehow.
Good luck. I am outta this one now.

It wasnt improperly oiled it was brand new. I read on multiple forums oiled new filters will work with any intake doesnt matter. Ive put k&ns in the 12 vehicles ive owned. Never had an issue with them oiling up the maf. I also only live 5 min from dealer. So i genuinley dont know if it was from the flash or from the maf buisness.

Also i did not go into the garage. The tech brought the scanner outfront. And yes full diagnostic is happening at dealer

[Norinradd]

Originally Posted by humfrz

Your frustration sort of reminds me of some of my actions back-in-the-day.

My grandfather was my go-to automobile advisor, after he passed away, when I was about 13, I was on my own. The setting was back on the farm in Ohio, five miles from the nearest town.

I did most of my automotive work on my 1948 Chevrolet (yes, mine, my other grandfather willed it to me) at night, out in my makeshift workshop in a corner of the barn.

I never did have a manual nor a "Chiltons", till later on. Obviously, no "forums" to consult with. So, with a dim trouble light, some old rusty tools (like a monkey wrench) and tools from the tractors, I started my automotive hobby.

I learned from other people, like the mechanics at my Uncle's dealership and the mechanics/drivers at a milk hauling business, where I worked part time.

Never once, would I have considered taking out my frustrations out on them ...... because they would have just told me to go away .... and not come back!

However, I did take out my frustrations on my tools, and anything else I could get my hands on, by throwing them around the barn.

I recall once, my mother sent my little sister out to the barn one evening, with a message "Mom says suppers ready, if you would like to take a break from throwing stuff around in the barn and come in and eat".

I do hope you get your machine squared away......


humfrz

Its easy to get frustrated at a computer screen to, sometimes forget theres real
People behind there. I went theough my frustrations too. Throwing tools. Spilling 5L of oil in parents garage. I started working on vehicles when i was 16. 28 now. I just have no idea what to do with all this new cpu buisness. Just put a header and intake on 92 civic i had for 2 months- long story- nothing screwed up when those went on it!!! Wish new cars could be that simple. Maybe i just need to stick to 2005 and older vehiicles :p.

enjoyed reading your story. . Never been anywhere near where you grew up

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by Norinradd

Its easy to get frustrated at a computer screen to, sometimes forget theres real
People behind there. I went theough my frustrations too. Throwing tools. Spilling 5L of oil in parents garage. I started working on vehicles when i was 16. 28 now. I just have no idea what to do with all this new cpu buisness. Just put a header and intake on 92 civic i had for 2 months- long story- nothing screwed up when those went on it!!! Wish new cars could be that simple. Maybe i just need to stick to 2005 and older vehiicles :p.

enjoyed reading your story. . Never been anywhere near where you grew up

Thanks for reading my little story.

Well, yes, I will agree with you that the whole ECU concept can be frustrating.

I sort of fell behind when they took away the distributor and the carburetor(s).

Ah, yes, the old days, a dwell meter, timing light, feeler gauge, spark plug wrench, 9/16th" wrench and a screwdriver and you could tune up any car .....

However, now, I leave anything that can remotely effect "that precious ECU" or its electronic buddies, up to those trained to work on them.

Let's hope that the dealer or a tuner can get your machine working right.


humfrz

[steve99]

@Norinradd working on a modern computer controlled car without a code scanner is like working on an old car with your eyes closed. ECU controlled cars are pretty easy when you have the correct tools for the job, the diagnostics in the onboard computers will most often point you in the right direction.

You rearly need to get that code reader or preferably android torque app running as it will read and reset codes and also allow you to monitor basic functions like measured AFR, Target AFR, ignition advance, Fuel trims, coolant and oil temps 02 sensor reading , intake air temps Mass Air flow MAF readings , and heaps of other stuff. Without that your just working blind and its very frustrating.

[tofurun]

Originally Posted by Norinradd

Yes!!! Sometimes its right off a gear change. Sometimes its mid gear. Its like response gets denied for a second or two. Power dips. Its not at the torque dip because it happens through the whole rpm range at random. Its most noticable when im wot from 1st to 2nd or like after 5000 in 4th or 5th. Its like my pedal isnt responding. I just chalked it up to bad gear shifts. If i dont drop the clutch like a racecar driver it doesnt seem to happen

I honestly think u damaged the maf sensor when u cleaned it or u have some kind of vacuum leak. Please don't drop the clutch like a race car. It's running terrible the more u beat it like that right now the more damage you are going to cause