Big brake kit

[timurrrr]

Originally Posted by s30series

I guess the video posted where Subaru engineers put high temp fluid and and brake fade still exists.....they must have put the wrong fluid in right?

They kept the wrong pads though.

[LRNAD90]

Originally Posted by timurrrr

They kept the wrong pads though.

Surprised they were allowed to change the Brake Fluid out it a comparison of stock vehicles, you'd think everything would have to be as it comes from the factory. So obvious reasons the pads were not/ could not be changed out..

[ZDan]

Originally Posted by s30series

I love these threads.

So many track experts here say stock brakes are jussssst fine for track days. Lol

Stock pads? I don't know anyone who's saying that...

Stock system with appropriate pads and fluid? Yeah, for most people who track these cars that will be jussssst fine for track days...

[s30series]

Originally Posted by trippinbillies40

Finally some talk that makes sense!

16-time national champion John Heinracy took this advice and has won many races on stock calipers. No cooling ducts either!

Next you'll tell me his lap times wouldn't change one bit with a BBK.

NEWS FLASH someone won a spec race

[trippinbillies40]

Originally Posted by s30series

Next you'll tell me his lap times wouldn't change one bit with a BBK.

NEWS FLASH someone won a spec race

Actually nope, I believe I've repeatedly agreed with you that they likely would. That has nothing to do with needing a BBK for track days though, so :shrug:

[s30series]

Originally Posted by trippinbillies40

Actually nope, I believe I've repeatedly agreed with you that they likely would. That has nothing to do with needing a BBK for track days though, so :shrug:

I guess everyone that does track days with the FRS and BRZ does spec events? You did post a winner of a spec race as proof not everyone needs a BBK

[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by s30series

NEWS FLASH someone won a spec race

T4 isn't a spec series Spec Miata is a spec series, Spec E30 is a spec series. T4 has a car list pages and pages long that are eligible. Next you are going to say "car that follows class rules wins race, big deal"

T4 is pretty quick, the T4 guys around here are much quicker then the average track day goer.

[trippinbillies40]

Originally Posted by s30series

I guess everyone that does track days with the FRS and BRZ does spec events? You did post a winner of a spec race as proof not everyone needs a BBK

First, T4 isn't spec. That's why there's different cars. Second, you're right, I did post a picture of a winner of a race that was NOT using a BBK as proof that you don't need a BBK to survive a track day. I'm glad we agree on something, even if you don't realize you're proving your own point as incorrect.

[s30series]

Originally Posted by trippinbillies40

First, T4 isn't spec. That's why there's different cars. Second, you're right, I did post a picture of a winner of a race that was NOT using a BBK as proof that you don't need a BBK to survive a track day. I'm glad we agree on something, even if you don't realize you're proving your own point as incorrect.

you should be a consultant with that line of thinking

someone REALLY should get with AP racing/brembo/etc and tell them to stop marketing at track events. What idiots.

OP- your're only trolling yourself if you waste money on a BBK. Obviously a FRZ can smoke a miata on a track with ZERO brake fade. All the research people have done and posted proof on here about the BRZ brake system tacoing' rotors, grinding pads down un-evenly, etc was purely made up and not peer reviewed by a few people on this board.

You'll never be fast enough to need a BBK. just do what pros do who want to be competitive and put good pads (you know, that get hotter?), good RBF fluid, and maybe a duct or two to cool those bad boys off.

[timurrrr]

Originally Posted by s30series

BRZ brake system tacoing' rotors

You surely know what you're talking about

[s30series]

Originally Posted by timurrrr

You surely know what you're talking about

Because you don't know what it means to taco something?

[trippinbillies40]

Originally Posted by s30series

you should be a consultant with that line of thinking

someone REALLY should get with AP racing/brembo/etc and tell them to stop marketing at track events. What idiots.

OP- your're only trolling yourself if you waste money on a BBK. Obviously a FRZ can smoke a miata on a track with ZERO brake fade. All the research people have done and posted proof on here about the BRZ brake system tacoing' rotors, grinding pads down un-evenly, etc was purely made up and not peer reviewed by a few people on this board.

You'll never be fast enough to need a BBK. just do what pros do who want to be competitive and put good pads (you know, that get hotter?), good RBF fluid, and maybe a duct or two to cool those bad boys off.

I'm not sure how you keep avoiding explaining how cars are shown to survive races on stop calipers. By your logic, one shouldn't be able to do a track day on anything but Hoosiers because they're the fastest option.

It's quite frankly scary that you claim to be a driving instructor for HPDE. Track days are not races nor should they be treated as such. Part of learning to drive on a track is learning to drive within limits. Those can be the limits of both you and your car's ability. Honestly, that translates even more importantly to W2W racing. Even Formula One drivers need to manage thermals on the car from brake temps to tire temps.

[s30series]

Originally Posted by trippinbillies40

I'm not sure how you keep avoiding explaining how cars are shown to survive races on stop calipers. By your logic, one shouldn't be able to do a track day on anything but Hoosiers because they're the fastest option.

It's quite frankly scary that you claim to be a driving instructor for HPDE. Track days are not races nor should they be treated as such. Part of learning to drive on a track is learning to drive within limits. Those can be the limits of both you and your car's ability. Honestly, that translates even more importantly to W2W racing. Even Formula One drivers need to manage thermals on the car from brake temps to tire temps.

ever heard of apples to oranges? now we're changing our tune to HPDE ISNT ABOUT SPEED ITS NOT ABOUT WINNING ITS NOT ABOUT SETTING GOOD LAP TIMES.

a BBK installed on an FRS/BRZ unlocks the capability of the car to run faster lap times and longer endurance...that is an ABSOLUTE FACT. You want to argue that? It doesn't matter that someone won a race with stock brakes. sure they did- they won it against other cars with stock brakes. yaaaayyy!

People who want to track their cars and set good PRs with their machine and go faster can 100% utilize a BBK. sorry you cant?

weird that lots of people in this thread- me included--have reached these "limits" you speak of with stock brakes....i guess I didn't have the right pads and fluid in

hurrr durrr

[trippinbillies40]

Originally Posted by s30series

ever heard of apples to oranges? now we're changing our tune to HPDE ISNT ABOUT SPEED ITS NOT ABOUT WINNING ITS NOT ABOUT SETTING GOOD LAP TIMES.

a BBK installed on an FRS/BRZ unlocks the capability of the car to run faster lap times and longer endurance...that is an ABSOLUTE FACT. You want to argue that? It doesn't matter that someone won a race with stock brakes. sure they did- they won it against other cars with stock brakes. yaaaayyy!

People who want to track their cars and set good PRs with their machine and go faster can 100% utilize a BBK. sorry you cant?

weird that lots of people in this thread- me included--have reached these "limits" you speak of with stock brakes....i guess I didn't have the right pads and fluid in

hurrr durrr

Ok friend. Enjoy your experiences on track. We'll agree to disagree and move on.