FR-S vs. 370z, end all be all of discussions

[Dark]

Originally Posted by fatoni

Because why not. I dont see what would make the brz more responsive to mods

2.0L vs 3.7L, 3.7L wins at having potential of making more power with bolt on. What about engine swap and force induction? Not to mention, FR-S/BRZ has back seats to take off.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by Dark

2.0L vs 3.7L, 3.7L wins at having potential of making more power with bolt on. What about engine swap and force induction? Not to mention, FR-S/BRZ has back seats to take off.

if you really believe that just buy a smart car and have the best car ever. i bet theres room for a better engine in the z than the frs. also room for more tire. im not sure if you are trying to say that back seats are a performance upgrade advantage but that doesnt make any sense

[Dark]

Originally Posted by fatoni

if you really believe that just buy a smart car and have the best car ever. i bet theres room for a better engine in the z than the frs. also room for more tire. im not sure if you are trying to say that back seats are a performance upgrade advantage but that doesnt make any sense

Like? Someone swapped giant IS-F V8 in FR-S.
Backseat: weight reduction? There is more stuff to take out from FR-S than Z. Chassis built from ground up with light weight idea. And I don't see putting 350 tire on either cars can help with performance.
I never say anything about performance upgrade, but modification.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by Dark

Like? Someone swapped giant IS-F V8 in FR-S.
Backseat: weight reduction? There is more stuff to take out from FR-S than Z. Chassis built from ground up with light weight idea. And I don't see putting 350 tire on either cars can help with performance.
I never say anything about performance upgrade, but modification.

none of that is unique to the frs so i dont see how it has any advantage here

[Dark]

Originally Posted by fatoni

none of that is unique to the frs so i dont see how it has any advantage here

Good luck with cutting down weight on 370Z then.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by Dark

Good luck with cutting down weight on 370Z then.

if weight is your only concern then why stop at a brz? get a mazda2 and be even faster or dare i say a smart car. that car must be even more ideal once heavily tuned

[Dark]

Originally Posted by fatoni

if weight is your only concern then why stop at a brz? get a mazda2 and be even faster or dare i say a smart car. that car must be even more ideal once heavily tuned

Realistic "Heavily tuned car". Are you really getting a car and spend all money that you would spend on paying for a house on it, just for unstreetable car? What are you going to drive on the road? take bus? Maybe you can afford to spend tons of money on modding a car, but I don't, so I'm talking about a realistic range, 10K-ish mod.
I didn't say weight is everything, I just say, you don't have much luck cutting down weight on 370z. And weight is one advantage BRZ/FR-S has over the Z.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by Dark

Like? Someone swapped giant IS-F V8 in FR-S.
Backseat: weight reduction? There is more stuff to take out from FR-S than Z. Chassis built from ground up with light weight idea. And I don't see putting 350 tire on either cars can help with performance.
I never say anything about performance upgrade, but modification.

Originally Posted by Dark

Realistic "Heavily tuned car". Are you really getting a car and spend all money that you would spend on paying for a house on it, just for unstreetable car? What are you going to drive on the road? take bus? Maybe you can afford to spend tons of money on modding a car, but I don't, so I'm talking about a realistic range, 10K-ish mod.
I didn't say weight is everything, I just say, you don't have much luck cutting down weight on 370z. And weight is one advantage BRZ/FR-S has over the Z.

good luck doing an isf swap for 10k. im sure for that price you can take more weight off the z than you can add motor to the frs

[ZDan]

For $10k, somebody should be able to double the power of the FR-S/BRZ and be totally streetable. For the same money, could you cut the 370Z's weight in HALF and be even remotely streetable?

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by ZDan

For $10k, somebody should be able to double the power of the FR-S/BRZ and be totally streetable. For the same money, could you cut the 370Z's weight in HALF and be even remotely streetable?

well you dont have to do that but you could, well probably not but whatever. a lot of weight reductions are free. you could double the hp of the z i guess. the point is that if someone dumped that much into a z it would likely be faster than the frs. i dont know how you would double the power and stay under 10k if you did it with the supporting mods. im not even trying to say this is a fair fight but this is what someone brought up

[Dark]

Originally Posted by fatoni

good luck doing an isf swap for 10k. im sure for that price you can take more weight off the z than you can add motor to the frs

Dude, you was saying that FR-S had no room for big engine. I was just saying someone swapped IS-F motor in. I never say I would swap one in for 10K.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by Dark

Dude, you was saying that FR-S had no room for big engine. I was just saying someone swapped IS-F motor in. I never say I would swap one in for 10K.

would you mind showing me where i said that

[Dimman]

I think a more accurate statement will be that dollar for dollar the FT86 will see much more significant performance gains than the 370Z.

But the Z will still be faster.

[Turbowned]

Originally Posted by Dimman

I think a more accurate statement will be that dollar for dollar the FT86 will see much more significant performance gains than the 370Z.

But the Z will still be faster.

That's certainly debatable. Stock-for-stock, the 370Z is already at a significant advantage, with a power:weight ratio of 9.8:1 (that's quick!), against the FT86's 13.8:1. Getting the FT86's power:weight ratio to eclipse that of the 370Z for the same or less money could be pretty tough.

However, it can certainly be argued that it would be cheaper to run an FT86 than a 370Z on the track because it's lower weight, skinnier tires, smaller brakes, less fluids, etc. Your consumables cost would be significantly less, and in addition to them being smaller, the FT86 would probably wear tires and brakes slower because it is a lighter car; i.e. less mass to throw around and slow down. It also returns better fuel economy, so you'd burn less gas after your lapping session, too.