No Spoon parts for the 86...

[ayau]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

So I just got home & re-watched the vid... til the 86 part and only part I think, it's not correct is this translation.

"This is my personal opinion but the 86 is a "sporty car" and not a "sports car""

Here's my translation of this vid from 3:45~4:35
"We modded the 86, drive it and test it. We were more convinced how amazing Honda is. If we want to build the 86 to compete at the same level with Type-R or S2000, we need to put 2, 3, 4 times the time & money to build it to same level as Type-R &/or S2000. That's how close Honda Type-R & S2000 is to real sports car, they are like racing cars with window washers equipped. Again we were amazed how amazing Honda is."

That's a rough translation of the section of the vid.

He didn't say anything like "the 86 is a "sporty car" and not a real "sports car"". UNLESS he stated that in a vid that isn't used.

Hope that helped out

i think mr. spoon is comparing a fully prepped spoon s2000/type R vs. fully prepped spoon 86/brz. in that case, it would make sense because of the associated R&D costs. furthermore, the stock s2000 motor produces 40hp more than the 86/brz. it would take additional money to make the subaru motor produce similar power, given that all other components have been tuned to their fullest potential.

on other hand, we may be looking at this too deeply.

[GTB/ZR-1]

Originally Posted by Foobar

So whats the acceptable threshold of power for a sports car? Does it matter what era it's from?

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Good question & totally a matter of opinion & conjecture, I'd say...

10lbs/HP minimum, these days, would be my personal opinion.

Think abt a 275bhp NA 86 platform car--sound nice to you? It does to me & that'd be quite a little sportscar, IMO.

YM(or HP)MV... lol

[RedLeader]

What? A historically Honda-only tuner isn't going to make parts for a Subaru/Toyota? What is the world coming to?!

Seriously people, why is this surprising? Mugen and Spoon have been Honda companies for awhile. Would you be upset if Nismo bought an 86 and then decided the 370Z is better?

Imagine the shit-storm if Mugen or Spoon decided they were wrong all along and the 86 was better than any previous Honda they'd ever tuned. The Honda crowd would probably riot.

[Foobar]

Originally Posted by GTB/ZR-1

Good question & totally a matter of opinion & conjecture, I'd say...

10lbs/HP minimum, these days, would be my personal opinion.

Think abt a 275bhp NA 86 platform car--sound nice to you? It does to me & that'd be quite a little sportscar, IMO.

YM(or HP)MV... lol

You say "these days" - what the rule be 10 years ago? 10 years before that? 10 years from now? See, that's why I don't think it's fair to tie it to a time period. A sportscar should be a sportscar in any time.

That said, a 275bhp NA 86 would be pretty damned sweet.

[demby123]

Well ofcourse they won't be making any parts for the 86, they're pretty much a Honda exclusive tuner... It's not like they've made any parts for the original ae86 or any Toyota cars for that matter. Should they be worried that TRD won't be making any parts for the Honda Civic...?

[ayau]

Originally Posted by demby123

Well ofcourse they won't be making any parts for the 86, they're pretty much a Honda exclusive tuner... It's not like they've made any parts for the original ae86 or any Toyota cars for that matter. Should they be worried that TRD won't be making any parts for the Honda Civic...?

why did they buy an 86 then? for fun?

[demby123]

Originally Posted by ayau

why did they buy an 86 then? for fun?

Research

Same reason auto manufacturers buy other manufacturers cars during the R&D process sometimes, to see what the competition has to offer and to see how you can size up. They have no reason to develop parts in the first place, but they can take some of that engineering and consider it in their own development.

[armythug]

This question is coming from a tech guy so don't destroy me too bad. All I hear is good things about these Honda engines and how they take really well to mods. And how they produce a great amount of NA horsepower. How difficult would it be to do an engine swap for some Vtech powah? This sounds wrong lol I know.

[Supermassive]

A swap would hardly be impossible, but would require about the same amount of work as what people are doing to stuff an LSx motor in the 86...losts of welding cutting and hammering...someone will do it...I just don't see it as being necessary, since no one even knows how this car will respond to internal modifications...also VTEC is over rated since almost any car running DOHC setups in this day and age is using a variable valve timing and lift setup...I know Toyota name for it, but it's pretty much the same across the board.

[Nardi330]

yes variable valve timing technology is common these days but there are system for economy and other setup for power. unfortunately there are more system on the market place for economy than power.....

[ok180]

Spoon Nazi says:


"NO SPOON FOR YOU!"

[track_warrior]

Spoon who?

[86pro]

total crap. gt 86 frs brz will not cost 3x more to modify to their level at any stage or point. in fact the civic type r cant beat it on a track only on straights. maybe he thinking about power. s2000 n teggy r(k20) are the two only rivals really. funny , if a person had to do r&d on a rival car its pretty much saying i want to find out it weakness. lol hes sayin this so that honda guys can feel good. the trd n1 willl take good care of him, i bet there just laughing over at trd japan.

[86pro]

by find out there weakness i meant because of the high level of gt 86 frs brz he HAD to drive it to try n get honda to feel like that. we dont got racing parts on it from factory , we dont need it to beat them. lol