the frs/brz is already plenty fast.

[Eski]

Originally Posted by Agent 86

I traded my 2013 Golf-R for the BRZ huge difference in power and torque, even the trade value was $2k more than my out the door price for my BRZ, but I bought the BRZ anyway.

As much as I loved the R, I love everything about the BRZ even more. I'm more than satisfied with my purchase.

I don't understand why so many are dissatisfied with the "lack of HP/Tq", yet bought a twin anyway???

BTW, I bought the BRZ over a new Audi S5.

maybe they thought the car had a governor mode on while test driving and would have twice as much hp as soon as they signed the deal.

[raven1231]

I'm not personally dissatisfied with the power. However, I'm also just being honest. It's a slow, but fun car.

[Eski]

once you drive it for a little while you learn the feel of your rpms but i just cruise around somewhere between 3-5k and the throttle response is there. below 3k there is a major lack of power so just dont drive that low haha

[STV3]

We aren't arguing the fact that this car isn't a blast to drive at stock power levels. We also aren't saying it needs more power. OP said the car is fast and that is simply false.

I mean our cars are notorious for being slow lol

[totopo]

Originally Posted by themadscientist

I like the car for the handling and all around balance not for power. I have a car for that and I'd wager on a tight twisty road the "slow" BRZ would leave my GTR behind. Comparatively, my screwdriver sucks at driving nails.

uhhhh, what GTR do you have? The PGC10?

[Ganthrithor]

I bet even a 2CV is fast enough to get you into trouble with the law if you can get it to the top of a canyon road and turn around. Speed limits are frustratingly low.

The 86 isn't a fast car: it's got almost 14lbs/hp. It's about as fast as a 911 SC from the eighties (and even that car has more torque). When you start getting under 10lbs/hp, you're starting to have a quick car. To qualify as a fast car these days, you'll need a lot fewer pounds/hp than that.

I agree that the 86 doesn't "need" more power for street driving, but it could sure make good use of additional power. I'll probably try and nudge mine in the direction of 10lbs/hp at some point. That said, I don't mind the way the car is now: it's nice to have a car where you can use full throttle frequently and you have to work for your pace.

[themadscientist]

Comparing it to an S2000 is unfair. That's like comparing a Camaro to a Corvette.

[E-Money]

I've caught plenty of GT500s and Z06s on the track driving my stock BRZ. Sure it doesn't pull hard in a straight line, but driving straight seems pretty boring to me.

[MikeM7]

Originally Posted by BuzzR

What part of, "... when I was pricing new cars last April the Mustang I looked at was 10Gs higher than the BRZ I ended up getting - and the Mustang wasn't anything special" do you not understand?

Perhaps I got a really good price on the BRZ, but that was the price difference for the car I looked at.

So why the hostility?

It's probably because you are making a claim that is just plain not true. Your story simply doesn't add up. You are leaving something out. FRS, BRZ, and Mustang that's "not special" are in the same price range. It's common knowledge to all of us that have shopped around for sports cars.

Originally Posted by Agent 86

I don't understand why so many are dissatisfied with the "lack of HP/Tq", yet bought a twin anyway???

Originally Posted by Eski

maybe they thought the car had a governor mode on while test driving and would have twice as much hp as soon as they signed the deal.

I understand the general sentiment, but let's be clear, nobody in here is complaining. We are simply stating the truth. It doesn't mean we aren't happy with our decision, it just means we disagree that it's a "fast" car.

Besides, many of us buy the car knowing it's slow with the intention of modding to compensate. I'm planning on bumping mine up about 30whp because I think that's what will satisfy me. If stock satisfies you, great, good for you, but you don't need to be a **** about it. This thread is pointless and will just result in flaming.

[Sketchi]

Just boost and have the best of both worlds

[themadscientist]

The BRZ reminds me of my old 600 bike. I would get smoked in the straights and reel in the liter bikes in the corner. Sure, they knew they could pull away in the next straight, but their body language was funny. I know when my headlight popped back into their mirror through the corners it was pissing them off.

[alan.chalkley]

After owning and driving many cars including V8s , the BRZ is faster overall on the road.
Taking into account it's size , braking , cornering and wet roads.
Hot hatch FWDs and V8s just can't get enough traction and that is just wasted horsepower.
Yes on a dry racetrack the 86/BRZ needs more power and grip , but what % of driving is track time?

[STV3]

There ya go fixed that for ya.

Originally Posted by alan.chalkley

After owning and driving many cars including V8s , the BRZ with upgraded tires is faster overall on the road.
Taking into account it's size , braking , cornering and wet roads.
Hot hatch FWDs and V8s just can't get enough traction and that is just wasted horsepower.
Yes on a dry racetrack the 86/BRZ needs more power and grip , but what % of driving is track time?

[perryair]

I guess a lot of folks here spend time drag racing minivans, ttearing down tracks at 10 / 10ths and street racing their buddies. if you can learn how to drive a car keeping its revs up in the power and, the frs/brz is plenty fast enough for almost any real world situation, merging into highways, taking that on/off ramp at 50-60, downshifting into a gap in traffic at 20 to 40 mph and such.

I used to drive and ride in tuned mustangs all the time and a best friend owns a coyote motor '12 mustang. and thats all nice and fun to play the auto equivalent of 'whip it out and see who's bigger' but in the real world, just as I said - these cars are plenty fast. not only that but they actually FEEL fast. your standard Lexus luxobarge can outrun most cars but inside you can be going 90 and feel like you're going 40.