[Poll] Preferred method to start stop on hills

[Koa]

Originally Posted by Canadian Greg

Using the emergency brake in this way is pointless and a very bad habit.
Do you stop your car using it too, of course not!
You'd fail every driving test using this method.

Although I disagree with it, in the UK the opposite holds true to their test. Instructors there teach the handbrake method. You will fail your driving exam if you do not use the handbrake method to start a manual on a hill.

[Akari]

I use foot pedals only 99% of the time but occasionally use the E-Brake just to change things up.

[daiheadjai]

Originally Posted by stugray

I have lived for over 1 year of my life in Florida and I have a question:
WHERE in the entire state of Fl. is there a hill with a 33% grade? Driveway Maybe....

Granted, I have always lived in Cocoa Beach where the maximum elevation above sea level is about 6 feet :-)

And a question: With all of the incessant "heel toe this & heel toe that" - WHY is there no mention of leaving a hill stop using the heel toe method?

I drove my 914 for many years and had to use my heel to keep the engine from stalling.
Leaving a hill that way is simple.

I'll bite - heel-toe is only good for a momentary blip of the throttle. Hill starts require a bit more finesse than that.

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[stugray]

Originally Posted by daiheadjai

I'll bite - heel-toe is only good for a momentary blip of the throttle. Hill starts require a bit more finesse than that.

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So are you saying that when you heel toe you are not operating the brake AND the gas at the same time?
So to leave from a hill start is it not possible to be holding the brake while blipping the throttle?

Then: let clutch out to the bite point while holding the brake, apply gas to begin moving forward, release brake.

[Ultramaroon]

I rest my car against the one behind me. That way I can take all the time I need.

[MidnightRunner]

For the few hills I've run into I use a variation of the heel toe to get moving. I'd get the clutch to the sweet spot with my right foot still on the brake, and slide over to get some accelerator pedal.

Then again I've been in south Florida for 5 years and the only hills I see now are driveway hills, hills coming out of certain shopping centers, and hills due to roads crossing over highways.

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[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by FR-STY 86

Edit:Great now Flanders is going to rag on me for reposting highest point in FL lol. jk jk. But but I started writing this periodcaly at work hours ago.

Nope not gonna do it!
Geez you make one (or 100) poorly worded jokes and ya get a rep.
Seems people read things in the tone they would have written it in so all of a sudden a joke becomes angry because the reader would have wrote it in anger not necessarily the writer.
I am chuckling all the time I write this but angry people will all think I am giving them shit.
Nature of the internet and the users there in.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

I rest my car against the one behind me. That way I can take all the time I need.

OK so went looking for a picture of a blue one with rear end damage to make a joke and couldn't find one! Nice work Ultramarine drivers. Now black and white you guys need to be more careful.
While I was looking I came across a jem of a site! The first article is pure comedy. Some may have seen it before but here it is http://brzcrash.com/category/uncategorized/

[jdubious]

I don't recall ever using the handbrake even once in my life to take off. What would you do if driving a small pickup with a foot brake?
On a side note, I live in Texas and it is mostly flat around here. Also, I would stall out sometimes when I was first learning.

I don't see the mountains being a problem really. San Francisco looks like a real bitch with her insanely steep hills and city traffic.

[predator800]

My first car had a foot parking break so no handbrake starts for me. I'm surprised we can buy still buy a car without hill assist starts. I always loved the chanlenge of starting on a hill.


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[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by predator800

My first car had a foot parking break so no handbrake starts for me. I'm surprised we can buy still buy a car without hill assist starts. I always loved the chanlenge of starting on a hill.


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And the big question is: Did the foot brake even work?
Don't know about the areas that don't use salt but up here the foot brake may work for a year or two but then usually seized up solid. Pretty sure most of us "older guys" had one that either would not push down at all or if it did you had to get your toe under it and pull it back up and pray it disengaged.

[tobin]

I almost always use the handbrake. I have been driving manual transmission cars almost every day for 15 years. I feel that the handbrake method is the smoothest way to start moving on an incline and prevents wear to the clutch that doesn't need to happen.

[extrashaky]

Originally Posted by jdubious

I don't recall ever using the handbrake even once in my life to take off. What would you do if driving a small pickup with a foot brake?

When I was a teenager, one of our vehicles was a 1959 Chevy Apache pickup. Its emergency brake was a big handle under the dash. You pulled that thing out and it would make this horrible gear grinding noise, then lock in place. Then you squeezed the handle to release it with a large "BANG" as it cut loose.

It was not possible to use the emergency brake method for hill starts in that thing. Same thing goes for the foot e-brake in my S10.

I get a kick out of English people trying to tell the rest of the world how to drive. They can't even get the names of the parts of the car right.

[extrashaky]

Originally Posted by stugray

And a question: With all of the incessant "heel toe this & heel toe that" - WHY is there no mention of leaving a hill stop using the heel toe method?

I drove my 914 for many years and had to use my heel to keep the engine from stalling.
Leaving a hill that way is simple.

If the car will idle, it's a lot more complicated to try to heel-toe your start than it would be just to practice until you get the timing down so that you don't roll back when taking off on a hill. If you're going to go to the trouble of learning that, you might as well learn to do it with just proper timing instead.

On the other hand, you have a good point about the car that wouldn't idle. One of the cars I learned in was an MGB with a racing cam in it. That car wouldn't idle. At a red light, you had to constantly feather the gas to keep it running. My dad had it set up that way on purpose.

I actually did use a sort of heel-toe technique to keep that thing running at a stop, but not when taking off. I lived on a steep hill, so I took that thing out on the hill and learned how to feather the throttle when sitting still, then quickly take off normally before the engine quit.