KW V3 Coilovers Released for FR-S / BRZ

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by RYU

say what Willis?

People validating their purchases by raving about them is not groupthink, it's a reduction strategy when people experience cognitive dissonance. Groupthink is the tendency for groups to prioritize group agreement over actually getting things done, which is not what you described.

[RYU]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

People validating their purchases by raving about them is not groupthink, it's a reduction strategy when people experience cognitive dissonance. Groupthink is the tendency for groups to prioritize group agreement over actually getting things done, which is not what you described.

at the risk of derailing this thread even further...what would you recommend is the proper terminology for what I described?

I suppose there's a better way to say "a form of dissonance reduction in cognitive dissonance"

[Hanakuso]

Originally Posted by RYU

at the risk of derailing this thread even further...what would you recommend is the proper terminology for what I described?

I suppose there's a better way to say "a form of dissonance reduction in cognitive dissonance"

Placebo?

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by RYU

at the risk of derailing this thread even further...what would you recommend is the proper terminology for what I described?

I suppose there's a better way to say "a form of dissonance reduction in cognitive dissonance"

It can be considered a type of effort-justification.

Originally Posted by Hanakuso

Placebo?

No, in the placebo effect you would tell a person that you changed to Brand X coilovers, but in reality you still have the stockers. Said person believes car to perform better than it did, despite nothing actually having been changed.

[RYU]

I'm certainly no psychology expert but I hope my point came across as intended.

[Hanakuso]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

No, in the placebo effect you would tell a person that you changed to Brand X coilovers, but in reality you still have the stockers. Said person believes car to perform better than it did, despite nothing actually having been changed.

I'm looking at it differently or maybe there's a difference between medical and psych "placebo" term. If you read on some forums Brand X coilovers improves handling but in fact it doesn't. Said person still believes there car handles better.

If the person knows the car handles worse but still goes on forums to say it handles better, I think the correct term is BSer

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by Hanakuso

I'm looking at it differently or maybe there's a difference between medical and psych "placebo" term. If you read on some forums Brand X coilovers improves handling but in fact it doesn't. Said person still believes there car handles better.

If the person knows the car handles worse but still goes on forums to say it handles better, I think the correct term is BSer

Still cognitive dissonance. They're experiencing dissonance between the perceived value/performance and what people think of the coilovers (read: junk).

[RYU]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

It can be considered a type of effort-justification.

Sorry, this just became interesting. The desire to want to purchase coilovers (in my poorly stated example) by bench racers on forums is what I originally associated with Groupthink. These are folks who blindly read reviews from owners/writers who are displaying a type of effort justification and it turns out to be a vicious snowball of propaganda (in a worse case scenario). So in effect I was talking about two phenomenons in my poorly stated example. Correct me if i'm wrong...

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by RYU

Sorry, this just became interesting. The desire to want to purchase coilovers (in my poorly stated example) by bench racers on forums is what I originally associated with Groupthink. These are folks who blindly read reviews from owners/writers who are displaying a type of effort justification and it turns out to be a vicious snowball of propaganda (in a worse case scenario). So in effect I was talking about two phenomenons in my poorly stated example. Correct me if i'm wrong...

THAT is more precise, but only IF the purchaser believes themselves to be a part of the same group as the bench racers. Otherwise, it's just persuasion.

It does seem you were talking about two phenomena, albeit without proper clarity.

[koyv90]

hope progress makes coilovers they are usually good and make stock quality coilovers

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by RYU

I think saying it's pointless is kind of harsh...

He does bring up a good point in that for a relatively cheap car spending 10% of the cars value on just a set of coilovers sort of makes you think twice. It certainly makes me think twice about just keeping the OEM set in there or go on the cheap and get a set of Koni or Bilsteins.

I don't think it was harsh at all. It's factual information. People put penske's on 86 CRXes, the value of an 86 CRX has absolutely nothing to do with the cost of Penske race shocks.

I'm not calling him cheap or stupid or anything else. If he doesn't want to spend 2k (or whatever) on a specific set of threaded body coilovers that's fine. If he doesn't want to spend more than $500, or $1000, or whatever, that's fine too, but it doesn't make parts outside of what he considers acceptable to be overpriced "just because".

His point was that they should be priced cheaper, just because of the cost of a BRZ/FRS, but the two are simply not related in any way. I would *never* pick parts based on a "maximum" % of my cars value, I pick my parts on what I need/want to accomplish, it costs whatever it costs. If I can't afford it I'll wait until I can, and if there are two equal parts in all regards that meet my needs I'll get the cheaper one (SS brakelines are a very good example of this).

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

That's kind of a pointless arguement. There are $6k shocks out there for cars that cost anywhere from $1k used to $100k+. The value of the vehicle doesn't define the R&D, parts cost, labor cost, overhead costs and profit for aftermarket parts.

Unless it's for exotics.

$900 value exhaust for a Ferrari = $3000

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by Dimman

Unless it's for exotics.

$900 value exhaust for a Ferrari = $3000

I'll definately agree there.

I meant more on the opposite side. KW V3s SRP are basically about the same so this isn't a case of "Ferrari Tax"

[ZetaVI]

Good stuff.