Spinouts

[calmtigers]

Originally Posted by z3ro

Any advice is greatly appreciated and any shit talking is appreciated even more so - i love e-thuggin, it gives me a hardon.

This should be permaposted in every thread on every forum..

[mav1178]

Originally Posted by z3ro

Now, pardon my newbiness/dumbness/etc, but is there some sort of magical trick to getting this thing to smoothly drift corners? I've tried twice without any driver assistance on and spun out both times (luckily no one was around so i escaped with my pride and car unharmed). Now i know its no where near the same thing, but i used to slide my 5,300 lb pickup in the rain or in the dirt with no issues. After a lot of practice i was able to get it down pretty smooth and transition my "drifts." Now with this car its a totally different nightmare. It just wants to keep spinning.

Any tips/tricks? I'm trying at relatively low speeds (~25-30mph) in 2nd gear. No ebrake used, either a clutch kick or just full power then release. Any advice is greatly appreciated and any shit talking is appreciated even more so - i love e-thuggin, it gives me a hardon.

1) do pedal dance and turn off ALL the aids, not just hold down button to get rid of it.
2) if you are spinning completely around (left turn drift, car rotates completely around), you are on the throttle too much and/or have understeer going in transitioning into snap oversteer. Learn to modulate throttle.
3) if you are spinning while transitioning left to right (and vice versa), but are otherwise okay with a single direction drift, you're on the gas way too early in a transition before the weight transfer is done. Work on weight transfer.

Keep in mind that this car is a Torsen LSD... and as such, it's very much like a Viscous LSD in that it won't allow you to slide continuously without some effort (and skill) from the driver.

-alex

[STV3]

Yes, I just learned last week that the car will not let you press the gas and brake simultaneously with out doing the pedal dance. It just cuts power to the engine

[mav1178]

Originally Posted by onefitz

Left foot braking is most definitely used in a racing to control load transfer.

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRKkJYAaw4k"]Braking Drift (Fékezéses drift) - YouTube[/ame]

Left foot braking would be beneficial in this sense to figure out at what point the car's weight rotates over to start a drift.

I always used this to do tight figure 8's in gymkhana and practice events, as a way of learning how little/much throttle to give the car to induce/maintain a slide.

-alex

[z3ro]

I think the general consensus is I need practice. Looks like ill be parking lot hunting tomorrow

[radroach]

Speed, throttle control, timing, angle and weight shift. Be in a high gear (3rd-4) if you want to drift smoothly, lower gear (2nd) if you want to drift aggressively.

Enter the corner, turn away from the corner smoothly and briefly (also consider braking), apply throttle and turn into the corner and let the weight shift carry the back around and begin a slide with the throttle, lift when you're done sliding.

[wrxgoose]

Originally Posted by z3ro

I think the general consensus is I need practice. Looks like ill be parking lot hunting tomorrow

Worst comes to worst, cops may know an abandoned lot you can use. I've done that before.

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[z3ro]

Originally Posted by wrxgoose

Worst comes to worst, cops may know an abandoned lot you can use. I've done that before.

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Lol Shelby cops SEEM to be more inclined to help out broke down people then hand out tickets. Cars only half legal right now, hence why I havent made it to a C&C lately, so we'll see. I might just garage it and work on stuff till next year. I just have a lotta time off coming up so im ancy to do something

[wrxgoose]

Originally Posted by z3ro

Lol Shelby cops SEEM to be more inclined to help out broke down people then hand out tickets. Cars only half legal right now, hence why I havent made it to a C&C lately, so we'll see. I might just garage it and work on stuff till next year. I just have a lotta time off coming up so im ancy to do something

Yeah, screw Shelby cops. Never got pulled out there, but they'd ride my ass a lot.

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[z3ro]

Originally Posted by radroach

Speed, throttle control, timing, angle and weight shift. Be in a high gear (3rd-4) if you want to drift smoothly, lower gear (2nd) if you want to drift aggressively.

Enter the corner, turn away from the corner smoothly and briefly (also consider braking), apply throttle and turn into the corner and let the weight shift carry the back around and begin a slide with the throttle, lift when you're done sliding.

I think the applying throttle thing is an issue for me. To much and you spin. To little and I dunno wtf happens. Everytime my brain catches up to whats happening im already spinning and my instinct is clutch and brake.

This is something I need to work on.


BTW!!!! I appreciate all the positive reinforcement ive gotten. Kinda not used to that from other forum experience. Nice to be around a good group of people, no homo

[mav1178]

Originally Posted by z3ro

This is something I need to work on.

The main thing you need to work on is CONSISTENCY. You can't figure out what you are doing wrong because you aren't able to do things consistently, and figure out why the car is over-rotating.

If you are having trouble with throttle modulation, you need to do one of two things:

1) enter with a higher speed, use less angle. Or,
2) learn to do smaller donuts/figure 8s with left foot braking.

The left foot braking is NOT needed, however it's obvious you're not using throttle and weight transfer to your advantage.

I honestly think you need to find a good safe area, set up two cones, and learn figure 8s around them.

Something like this:
[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Q7YKGz839Q"]Drift Practice S13 Figure 8 (7m distance) - YouTube[/ame]

-alex

[z3ro]

Originally Posted by mav1178

The main thing you need to work on is CONSISTENCY. You can't figure out what you are doing wrong because you aren't able to do things consistently, and figure out why the car is over-rotating.

If you are having trouble with throttle modulation, you need to do one of two things:

1) enter with a higher speed, use less angle. Or,
2) learn to do smaller donuts/figure 8s with left foot braking.

The left foot braking is NOT needed, however it's obvious you're not using throttle and weight transfer to your advantage.

I honestly think you need to find a good safe area, set up two cones, and learn figure 8s around them.

Something like this:

-alex

One thing that stuck out to me in this vid is the driver bouncing off the rev limiter; we, or at least i cant do that in the FRS, it just cuts the power, which forces me to upshift. This just adds one other thing that takes my attention away from trying to do a smooth drift.

[red_comet]

Originally Posted by z3ro

Now, pardon my newbiness/dumbness/etc, but is there some sort of magical trick to getting this thing to smoothly drift corners? I've tried twice without any driver assistance on and spun out both times (luckily no one was around so i escaped with my pride and car unharmed). Now i know its no where near the same thing, but i used to slide my 5,300 lb pickup in the rain or in the dirt with no issues. After a lot of practice i was able to get it down pretty smooth and transition my "drifts." Now with this car its a totally different nightmare. It just wants to keep spinning.

Any tips/tricks? I'm trying at relatively low speeds (~25-30mph) in 2nd gear. No ebrake used, either a clutch kick or just full power then release. Any advice is greatly appreciated and any shit talking is appreciated even more so - i love e-thuggin, it gives me a hardon.

Keep the driver assistance off, scandinavian flick, countersteer, stay on the gas.

[Suberman]

Paradoxically, the engine has too little torque to drift this car easily.

The chassis is set up to drift easily, comparatively speaking.

On snow or ice this is an evil set up.

If you get any snow or ice, or perhaps even very cold wet pavement you will find it much easier to practice this skill.

Initiating the drift isn't very difficult, as you have discovered. Maintaining the drift is trickier than it looks on TV. You can't really learn this from a description, any more than you can learn to ride a bike from a book.

The only way to learn this technique is to practice in a safe area. A lot. I mean practice a lot, on a lot. Parking lot. Do not practice this anywhere you might slide into a curb or depression in the road. You don't want to flip the car or bend the suspension.

Try to practice when it is cold out, less grip makes it easier to sustain the slide.

Wet and cold is better as long as you don't have too many puddles. Hit a puddle during a slide and you may need clean underwear.

Snow or ice are ideal as long as you have at least all season tires. Summer tires are too slippery in the cold. The learning curve on ice or snow is very steep, prepare to spin out a lot. Have plenty of room for uncontrolled slides before you reach anything solid.