Spinouts - Page 2 - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

Rossman · 12-20-2013, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by STV3

I'm a newb at this ...[snip]... and I've also been doing some left foot braking to help keep control

Your left foot is not meant to be used on the brake pedal. Unless perhaps you only have one leg, and it's your left leg.

onefitz · 12-20-2013, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Rossman

Your left foot is not meant to be used on the brake pedal. Unless perhaps you only have one leg, and it's your left leg.

Left foot braking is most definitely used in a racing to control load transfer.

guysmiley · 12-20-2013, 02:16 PM

The OEM tires have about as much traction as 4 bars of wet soap -- which is great for easy "drifts", but moves us from drift to "spin" at pretty low g's. This, by the way, is handy for doing donuts in the parking lot of your (former) employer with your left hand triumphantly raised out the window in a 1 finger salute. I gave this a try and it was AWESOME.

Anyway ... sounds like you may want to ask Santa for some stickier tires.

trekkie · 12-20-2013, 02:22 PM

I would guess based on you saying that you did it 'in a truck' before easier that you're suffering from the problem of 'my back end weighs something' and you need to put more power into it than you're used too.

Speaking from experience of transitioning to a Truck to a Car. The Truck could spinout at a light with the brakes on (old truck, high speed idle broke so was always on, and a 454 chin V8 (what is that. 6.7L now?) can over power the brakes on an old truck and if there is snow on the ground...instant UNWANTED donuts)

bestwheelbase · 12-20-2013, 02:26 PM

More cowbell.

Captain Stall · 12-20-2013, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by z3ro

Now, pardon my newbiness/dumbness/etc, but is there some sort of magical trick to getting this thing to smoothly drift corners? I've tried twice...

Magic? Try more than twice.

STV3 · 12-20-2013, 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rossman

Your left foot is not meant to be used on the brake pedal. Unless perhaps you only have one leg, and it's your left leg.

z3ro · 12-20-2013, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain Stall

Magic? Try more than twice.

oh i'm in no way saying i dont need or dont want more practice, but coming from something that i could drift and would a drift relatively easily to something that is supposed to drift easy and for me doesn't is more of the issue

993Fan · 12-20-2013, 05:36 PM

If you do spin, don't try to save it.

"in a spin both feet in and come to a complete stop"

(of course, both feet in = clutch + brake...)

bestwheelbase · 12-20-2013, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by z3ro

oh i'm in no way saying i dont need or dont want more practice, but coming from something that i could drift and would a drift relatively easily to something that is supposed to drift easy and for me doesn't is more of the issue

Your truck probably had a shit-ton more torque and a lot less total grip on the drive wheels (unloaded, light rear).

This is about balance more than just power.

z3ro · 12-20-2013, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by 993Fan

If you do spin, don't try to save it.

"in a spin both feet in and come to a complete stop"

(of course, both feet in = clutch + brake...)

and thats a natural tendency for me for whatever reason. both times i've spun out i counter steer and clutch & brake. I havent ever stalled while spinning out.

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Originally Posted by bestwheelbase

Your truck probably had a shit-ton more torque and a lot less total grip on the drive wheels (unloaded, light rear).

This is about balance more than just power.

wouldn't more torque make it easier to spin out?

bestwheelbase · 12-20-2013, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by z3ro

wouldn't more torque make it easier to spin out?

With the truck it was easier to break traction without much weight transfer. Whereas in the car you're getting the whole thing rotating. Speaking of rotating... A lot of what you are feeling is the wheelbase. Your truck probably had much larger dimensions. The car is 2570mm and thus rotates faster.

This is kind of our thing. People often focus on horsepower/torque and maybe weight, but your wheelbase and chassis setup dictates a lot of your experience. Food for thought.

Cheers,
bestwheelbase

frslee · 12-20-2013, 07:24 PM

It's very easy to spin the car with stock tires. 25~30mph on 2nd gear won't get you that power, try with 1st gear.

bkblitzed · 12-20-2013, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by frslee

It's very easy to spin the car with stock tires. 25~30mph on 2nd gear won't get you that power, try with 1st gear.

1st gear is way too short. The car can drift fine in a parking lot going 20-30mph in 2nd gear.

Also i found the best spot for me is my local community college parking lots. No one is around at night and the lots are wide and open.

12-20-2013, 02:16 PM	#17
guysmiley Sideways and Smiling Join Date: Apr 2013 Drives: 2013 BRZ Location: NC Posts: 13 Thanks: 2 Thanked 15 Times in 5 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	The OEM tires have about as much traction as 4 bars of wet soap -- which is great for easy "drifts", but moves us from drift to "spin" at pretty low g's. This, by the way, is handy for doing donuts in the parking lot of your (former) employer with your left hand triumphantly raised out the window in a 1 finger salute. I gave this a try and it was AWESOME. Anyway ... sounds like you may want to ask Santa for some stickier tires.

12-20-2013, 02:22 PM	#18
trekkie Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Drives: 2011 Camry Hybrid Location: Wake Forest, NC Posts: 82 Thanks: 10 Thanked 20 Times in 14 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I would guess based on you saying that you did it 'in a truck' before easier that you're suffering from the problem of 'my back end weighs something' and you need to put more power into it than you're used too. Speaking from experience of transitioning to a Truck to a Car. The Truck could spinout at a light with the brakes on (old truck, high speed idle broke so was always on, and a 454 chin V8 (what is that. 6.7L now?) can over power the brakes on an old truck and if there is snow on the ground...instant UNWANTED donuts)

12-20-2013, 02:26 PM	#19
bestwheelbase Join Date: Nov 2011 Drives: 1985 P-Type Location: Nashville, TN, USA Posts: 3,710 Thanks: 3,273 Thanked 2,058 Times in 1,098 Posts Mentioned: 50 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	More cowbell.

12-20-2013, 05:36 PM	#23
993Fan Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Drives: 2014 DGM BRZ MT Location: SoCal Posts: 188 Thanks: 1 Thanked 120 Times in 57 Posts Mentioned: 3 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	If you do spin, don't try to save it. "in a spin both feet in and come to a complete stop" (of course, both feet in = clutch + brake...)

12-20-2013, 07:24 PM	#27
frslee Just drive it Join Date: Mar 2013 Drives: 13' FR-S Location: Maryland Posts: 1,122 Thanks: 97 Thanked 321 Times in 218 Posts Mentioned: 10 Post(s) Tagged: 3 Thread(s)	It's very easy to spin the car with stock tires. 25~30mph on 2nd gear won't get you that power, try with 1st gear.

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