will the new wrx engine fit the frs?

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Ryuu0u

Couldn't you get the same reliability as well as HP potential from aftermarket internals as well? I wish toyota would come out with more TRD parts. TRD pistons and such would be a pretty cool revival of the brand.

You can... but for how much R&D Subaru tested on FA20DIT vs aftermarket, IDK

[regal]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

You can... but for how much R&D Subaru tested on FA20DIT vs aftermarket, IDK

The biggest thing is DIT. Piston tops matched perfectly to the combustion chamber all for best DI performance under boost.


I think if AVO+FA20 = OEM reliability Subaru wouldn't have redesigned the heads and pistons. JMHO. The OEMs have a lot of tools available to them. Avo does have a great track record though and its going to be much less expensive, the tuning is very critical.


The way to do this swap would be to keep your FA20 block/crank and replace the pistons, heads, DI, and ECU. It will be interesting to see if many 2015 WRX owners sell their engines for builds. Maybe we'll get lucky and all the 2015 WRX geeks will hate the DI and swap to FB's

[SkAsphalt]

Originally Posted by regal

Are you trying to say that the engine in are cars is a Toyota because they slapped D4-S on it? Hate to break it to you but these are Subaru cars. Toyota just dreamed it up, Subaru executed the engineering and of course the manufacturing IMHO.


As far as the FA20DIT, no one can tell me that Subaru isn't making a lot more money selling the BRZ than the WRX. I mean the WRX has the better motor, AWD, and 500 lbs more steel.


I think if Toyota/Subaru would get their heads out of their A$$ or had a little competition they could make the FRZ standard with the different tuned FA20DIT for no price increase. Hopefully healthy competition from Nissan will force them into it.

I think your head is in your ass for thinking they will sell a turbo Twin for 26 grand and I know the engine is subarus but Toyota put their name on it. That means a lot to them, just like all of the Yamaha tunes heads and valve trains they have put their name on before and those engines are solid

[SkAsphalt]

Originally Posted by nonicname returns

toyota DIDN'T design this engine.
the only thing that's toyota is the DI system which sucks.

yes, well known fact - Toyota does not put their name on a car that has a POS engine is what I meant. and the DI system is great, tuners seem to be getting pretty easy HP gains with turbos and quality gas - for a system that "sucks" there sure is a LOT of 400hp cars out there within 2 years of launch.

[regal]

Originally Posted by SkAsphalt

I think your head is in your ass for thinking they will sell a turbo Twin for 26 grand and I know the engine is subarus but Toyota put their name on it. That means a lot to them, just like all of the Yamaha tunes heads and valve trains they have put their name on before and those engines are solid

I didn't say twin turbo, but I'm telling you there is a lot more expense in the components making up the current WRX which sells for the same as the BRZ. There is a big margin on the BRZ probably being used to pay off the cap & dev costs. It would have cost less for Subaru to use a versionof the FA20DIT instead of the FA20 D4-S IMHO.

Originally Posted by SkAsphalt

yes, well known fact - Toyota does not put their name on a car that has a POS engine is what I meant. and the DI system is great, tuners seem to be getting pretty easy HP gains with turbos and quality gas - for a system that "sucks" there sure is a LOT of 400hp cars out there within 2 years of launch.

That's a good point a lot of us are betting on .

[SkAsphalt]

Originally Posted by regal

I didn't say twin turbo, but I'm telling you there is a lot more expense in the components making up the current WRX which sells for the same as the BRZ. There is a big margin on the BRZ probably being used to pay off the cap & dev costs. It would have cost less for Subaru to use a versionof the FA20DIT instead of the FA20 D4-S IMHO.





That's a good point a lot of us are betting on .

Sorry, just want to clarify, I meant a turbo'd Twin (FRS/BRZ)

The WRX has a premium over the BRZ in price, at least in Canadathe BRZ is $27k and the WRX is $32.5k. That 5,500 goes a long way. Also, the FRS is even cheaper, so a turbo in that price range isn't really an option, unless we look at offerings from like Ford or Hyundai but they sell in much greater volume and use the engine in high volume cars elsewhere.

[Ashybone]

Honestly, does it really matter if the car/engine is a toyota or subaru? The engines here, the cars here, work with what you have. Honestly you got this car either for the looks or what you can turn it into. Yes it can use some extra power.

A.) Get a turobed car
B.) Turbo your FR-Z/BRZ

end of story. If you don't have to money to do either, sell the damn car and get a sr swapped 240. I really don't understand why everyon cares about factory parts. Yes they have the R&D behind thier parts but that doesn't mean they're engine is going to last forever. Save money and mod your car the right way while not cheaping out and your golden.

[thill]

Originally Posted by SkAsphalt

I think your head is in your ass for thinking they will sell a turbo Twin for 26 grand and I know the engine is subarus but Toyota put their name on it. That means a lot to them, just like all of the Yamaha tunes heads and valve trains they have put their name on before and those engines are solid

Yeah, I expect a markup on a turbo or larger displacement engine in the FT86 as well.

The WRX is a souped up Impreza sedan and those are priced from $18-23K with a loaded one going for $22-23K. The WRX is going for about $6K more than a loaded Impreza Limited. I would expect an STI BRZ to sell for $4-6K more than the base BRZ as well depending on options.

Unless sales for the twins plummet, I don't see Subaru or Toyota selling a much more powerful FT86 for the same price as the current model.

[thill]

Originally Posted by Ashybone

Honestly, does it really matter if the car/engine is a toyota or subaru? The engines here, the cars here, work with what you have. Honestly you got this car either for the looks or what you can turn it into. Yes it can use some extra power.

A.) Get a turobed car
B.) Turbo your FR-Z/BRZ

end of story. If you don't have to money to do either, sell the damn car and get a sr swapped 240. I really don't understand why everyon cares about factory parts. Yes they have the R&D behind thier parts but that doesn't mean they're engine is going to last forever. Save money and mod your car the right way while not cheaping out and your golden.

Yeah, this has been going on for years. For the people who did not test drive the car, did not look at the specs or read any of the reviews regarding the power, you hopefully learned a lesson. For everyone else, you should know what you are getting before you sign the dotted line.

Don't like it, sell it and move on, life is too short to be bitter all the time. Get yourself a V6 Mustang, Gencoupe, or a used S2K, etc. Lots of options out there that make more power for the same money.

[chrisl]

Originally Posted by SkAsphalt

1. Everyone of my friends who has a subaru, wrecks the engine in 2-3 years

Maybe they should maintain their engines better then. My Outback has 120k miles, and it's still going strong.

(Admittedly, it's not a turbo engine though)

[mav1178]

Originally Posted by thill

Yeah, this has been going on for years. For the people who did not test drive the car, did not look at the specs or read any of the reviews regarding the power, you hopefully learned a lesson. For everyone else, you should know what you are getting before you sign the dotted line.

If FD fanboys are any indication, the flood of newbies asking about 2JZ swap into ZC6/ZN6 will arrive sometime on/after April 2014.

But the main thing here is, people don't understand what an OEM turbo setup is for, and what an aftermarket turbo setup is for.

If Subaru wanted a specific engine output, or Toyota, frankly it's easy. But to meet the emissions and fuel efficiency targets that was laid out, that was not easy at all. That's why Toyota contributed their direct injection, because it raised the fuel consumption and emissions targets to the point where they can sell the car globally.

Aftermarket? Sure you can make great power. But no one is measuring tailpipe emissions, so a lot of the "power" being made is just stuff lost from meeting emissions regulations on a factory setup.

All this power talk is secondary, to be honest, and any aftermarket comparison of how powerful a turbo engine is versus the crappy factory DI setup is wildly misleading.

-alex

[SkAsphalt]

Originally Posted by chrisl

Maybe they should maintain their engines better then. My Outback has 120k miles, and it's still going strong.

(Admittedly, it's not a turbo engine though)

That's the issue right there

and yes, these guys probably treat their car's like ass, over boosting and running accessport tunes that are not meant for our gas - so they deserve it, but I still know too many stock sti's that fall as well.

[Agnostik]

Originally Posted by nonicname returns

toyota DIDN'T design this engine.
the only thing that's toyota is the DI system which sucks.

What about the DI system sucks? I am probably just ignorant but am curious.

[Ashybone]

I like our DI system honestly. I don't see it as a gimmick but something that is actually useful to the engine.