Poll: Rust Proofing - An Analysis by Numbers

[brzr]

did it at krown, no holes

[kALMIGHTY]

I got the undercoating sound/rust proofing done by the dealership prior to delivery. Was planning on paying the $500 for the package after discount but they forgot to charge me for it. So all done for free! No holes drilled.

[DAN_BRZ]

i didnt rust proof because my car isnt winter driven, and i have a beater which is rust proofed cuz i work at a dealership and it was done for free99, but if i did winter drive my car i would do the under body and quarters only. i hate seeing rust proof in the engine bay.

[Captain Stall]

I've heard George Iny from APA.ca say that when he talks to body shops, the cars they *don't* see are ones treated with Krown. I've heard Doug Bethune (http://www.cbc.ca/maritimenoon/phone-in-regulars.html) say that when he does the same, he hears they don't see Rust Checked cars.

I went with Rust Check because they were closer and I know/trust the shop manager. The tech who applied it is trained how, not just some guy spraying oil. It took 13 years to run my Acura EL into the ground, and rust was a big part of "the end". I plan for it to take longer for my FR-S.

[that_guy]

Originally Posted by Canadian Greg

True. But the technology is still the same.

Why folks resist these advancements I will never know.

Oiling is cerainly NOT the way to go. Messy, unreliable and no warranties.

This information is unreliable. Anyone who has ever oiled their car can attest that it clearly works. If your paint falls off from the outside though due to stone chips or manufacturing issues (Mazda3), then nothing will save you.

I had mine oil sprayed and asked Krown for a spare can so I could do my own touch ups. I opted not to drill because I know there are plenty of access points in the car that I can get oil where it's needed - hence the spare can.

In the end, $125 is worth it to know that I'm taking preventative measures now and not trying to stop the rust later on. Aftermarket paint is garbage and rust will never go away once it starts.

...Plus I'll just degrease and rinse most of it off in the summer anyways. At least in the engine bay.

[krayzie]

Doesn't rust proofing void the factory perforation warranty? I see rust proofing applied already on the bottom of the car from the factory (hence I'm debating whether to get the JDM aerokit under panels).

[that_guy]

Originally Posted by krayzie

Doesn't rust proofing void the factory perforation warranty? I see rust proofing applied already on the bottom of the car from the factory (hence I'm debating whether to get the JDM aerokit under panels).

What makes you think it will void the warranty? That's like saying if you change the oil on the car it will void the engine warranty...

Manufacturers can only deny warranty if the part installed (or in this case service performed) is proved to have caused failure or fault of the part to be warranted. Generally it's the dealership that's put in charge of policing warranty claims for a manufacturer. If you stay in their good books, I'm sure they'd look the other way if something were to happen.

I've had a steering rack replaced in my old car under warranty even though the dealership knew damn well I raced the car with r-comps which caused the rack to fall out of tolerance. But stay on good terms and most will be happy to go to bat for you in the end.

[krayzie]

Originally Posted by that_guy

Manufacturers can only deny warranty if the part installed (or in this case service performed) is proved to have caused failure or fault of the part to be warranted. Generally it's the dealership that's put in charge of policing warranty claims for a manufacturer. If you stay in their good books, I'm sure they'd look the other way if something were to happen.

I've had a steering rack replaced in my old car under warranty even though the dealership knew damn well I raced the car with r-comps which caused the rack to fall out of tolerance. But stay on good terms and most will be happy to go to bat for you in the end.

Cuz I came from a VAG product and they are notoriously troublesome at making warranty claims with rust requiring the regional rep to inspect it and then argue / fight with the stealer (VAG comes with a 12 year rust perforation warranty and any aftermarket rust proofing voids that). Not that you really need to rust proof a German car to begin with (world's best quality steel comes from Germany and France).

Well so far my dealings with Subaru Canada hasn't inspire any confidence (my car didn't even come with a full set of user's manuals and my GPS card is outdated) so I guess I should rust proof the car myself come next year.

[Muskokan]

Originally Posted by brzr

did it at krown, no holes

Did you ask for no holes?
personally i think getting the frame drilled with oil in there is the only way to go with krowns oil they use. I did mine 4 months ago and don't see much under the car anymore. They do seem the best though in terms of being thorough ( latches, handles, etc.). might go back if i have some extra cash after christmas for another one, i like how its cheaper everytime once you've had the holes drilled .


as for the rust mudules.. im no expert, but ill share my experience.

I bought an 07 black civic EX sedan 5 speed 2 years ago (first newish car) and opted for the rust module because at the time i thought i'd be keeping the car for a long time. upon purchase asking questions about the rust module the manager informed me the $1,000 you pay isn't really for the module, but simply for the insurance they offer with it. Fair enough i thought, id buy it and worse comes to worse itll rust and ill bring it in under warranty.


to cut this story short, before i traded it in on the brz 5 months ago, there was two spots of rust. above the rear wheel wells and behind the front, not HUGE, but definetly noticable on a black car. figured id take it back to the honda dealership before i traded it in for a better value on my trade in... they said the front was due to rock chips and exposed metal and not covered and the rear wheel well was "surface" rust and didn't orginate from the inside.


fought with them for a couple weeks about it, went to corparate, they wouldn't honour it.

so yea, payed an extra 1,000 just to get bent over the next year.

thats why ill never buy another rust module.

fyi if you really think they work, and dont want to pay for the insurance. they're at canadian tire for 100-200 bucks.

[brzr]

Originally Posted by Muskokan

Did you ask for no holes?
........

Yes I did

[Deadspool]

Dealer rust proofed mine before delivery. 6 year rust protection guarantee.

[DaJo]

I got mine undercoated from dealer, if that counts.

[that_guy]

Originally Posted by krayzie

Cuz I came from a VAG product and they are notoriously troublesome at making warranty claims with rust requiring the regional rep to inspect it and then argue / fight with the stealer (VAG comes with a 12 year rust perforation warranty and any aftermarket rust proofing voids that). Not that you really need to rust proof a German car to begin with (world's best quality steel comes from Germany and France).

Well so far my dealings with Subaru Canada hasn't inspire any confidence (my car didn't even come with a full set of user's manuals and my GPS card is outdated) so I guess I should rust proof the car myself come next year.

Starting by calling the dealer the "stealer" isn't really going to help you when it comes time to get them to support. I can understand them asking a rep to come out and inspect though. It helps them validate through another channel. And again, regardless of what the manufacturer says, they have to prove that the aftermarket rustproofing caused the failure (in this case, caused the car to rust). It's under the Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act, which is like a consumer protection act by allowing consumers the freedom to select aftermarket parts as a choice when repairing or updating their car.

If your car didn't come with the manuals, it's probably because they were back ordered or something. The car receives all the regional manuals and what not in Vancouver when it arrives from Japan. It's happened before for other models of cars I've had. Just speak to the dealer and they should be able to support.

Now, regarding "VAG" steel, it doesn't matter how good steel is, it still rusts. It's up to you if you want to rust proof or not; it's your car. Some people argue that oil doesn't work, yada, yada, but if you've ever seen how oil displaces water, you'd know that proper application will help slow the effects of rust. Warranty is great if you don't mind watching your car rust and then having a body shop cut, weld, body fill, and paint parts of your car down the road. I personally prefer to keep the car original because aftermarket paint sucks.

[krayzie]

Originally Posted by that_guy

Starting by calling the dealer the "stealer" isn't really going to help you when it comes time to get them to support. I can understand them asking a rep to come out and inspect though. It helps them validate through another channel. And again, regardless of what the manufacturer says, they have to prove that the aftermarket rustproofing caused the failure (in this case, caused the car to rust). It's under the Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act, which is like a consumer protection act by allowing consumers the freedom to select aftermarket parts as a choice when repairing or updating their car.

If your car didn't come with the manuals, it's probably because they were back ordered or something. The car receives all the regional manuals and what not in Vancouver when it arrives from Japan. It's happened before for other models of cars I've had. Just speak to the dealer and they should be able to support.

Now, regarding "VAG" steel, it doesn't matter how good steel is, it still rusts. It's up to you if you want to rust proof or not; it's your car. Some people argue that oil doesn't work, yada, yada, but if you've ever seen how oil displaces water, you'd know that proper application will help slow the effects of rust. Warranty is great if you don't mind watching your car rust and then having a body shop cut, weld, body fill, and paint parts of your car down the road. I personally prefer to keep the car original because aftermarket paint sucks.

Trust me most VW dealers in the GTA are indeed stealers if you've been around that community long enough. From personal experience good dealers offering excellent customer service and support are far few and in-between (they do exists but quite a long drive).

The Subaru dealer I got my car from is even worse in which I don't want to go into too much detail (let's just say it wasn't just the missing manuals lol). I'm still trying to figure out which dealer to visit for my first service.

tinma's thread is exactly what I'm worried about with rust proofing application.