ICBC, excessive speeding, 7day impoundment questions? anyone know?

[7thgear]

Originally Posted by Suberman

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i was contesting Doomsday's comment:

"Why would you not contest it? I contest EVERY ticket whether I'm guilty or not."


as for speeding causing accidents... sure

but speeding most certainly reduces your chances at avoiding a dangerous situation.

you have less raction time
your tires have less traction
your braking distances are longer

try doing the ELK test at 150km vs 80... you'd fail every time...


you're assuming a perfect world where no one else makes mistakes. Your speeding may not lead to you causing an accident, but your speeding WILL impair your ability to deal with the mistakes of others. This, you absolutely cannot deny.

[Rossman]

Originally Posted by 7thgear

Fight the ticket because you can fight it?

This is what pieces of shit like DoomsdayJesus do. People like him are pretty much a big component with what is wrong with society today.

[DoomsdayJesus]

Originally Posted by 7thgear

how about running a red light, if a cop gives you a ticket for that, are you gonna fight it saying you didn't do it?

how about driving drunk, if you are caught and thrown in the tanker, are you gonna fight it and say you weren't drinking?

running through stop signs?

failing to stop for a school bus?


are you saying your morals are the same in all of these cases? Fight the ticket because you can fight it?

also, doing 20-over and 50-over.. or more, are two different things.

flying 90 in a 40km school zone is pretty reckless

most 80 zones are clear for 100, maybe even 110, but fly 130 in a typical 80 zone and again, you're starting to get reckless.

yes the speed limits are arbitrary but they are generally in a good range for the most part.


yes you are allowed to face your accusor

yes you are allowed due process

but if you actually did the crime....

You completely missed my argument that you can at least argue or fight for a lesser sentence. I fought a ticket for running a stop sign because it was half blocked by a telephone pole and won that, too.

I don't care what the ticket is for, I'm going to go to court and either get off or get my fine/penalty reduced. That's what makes the most sense to my wallet. I do not willfully go out and break traffic laws, run red lights, etc . . . so if I do something inadvertently I consider having to fight a ticket enough of a reminder not to do it again (which is the entire purpose of a citation). Obviously, if I committed an egregious offense and the state made their case against me, I'm going to get what's coming to me, and I'm going to pay for it in one way or another.

What really pisses me off about traffic tickets and the related legal system is that they deliberately target offenses which are the most profitable, not the most dangerous. Otherwise cops would do nothing but pull over people on their cell phones all day long. But that's tedious and less cost effective than nailing someone doing 7-8MPH over the speed limit. It's arbitrary and stupid.

My morals are my duties to other people and if you want to get into religion to render unto Caesar. But if I can get Caesar to say I owe less than he's asking, regardless of what I did, I'm going to in a heartbeat. I work for that money. They blow it on nonsense.

[Suberman]

Originally Posted by Rossman

This is what pieces of shit like DoomsdayJesus do. People like him are pretty much a big component with what is wrong with society today.

Nonsense. If you think the police are doing a good job you need an attitude adjustment. The whole system is rotten and it starts with the police and the fact that police budgets are funded in part from traffic fines.

You are unbelievably naive and, frankly, part of this problem.

[Suberman]

Originally Posted by 7thgear

i was contesting Doomsday's comment:

"Why would you not contest it? I contest EVERY ticket whether I'm guilty or not."


as for speeding causing accidents... sure

but speeding most certainly reduces your chances at avoiding a dangerous situation.

you have less raction time
your tires have less traction
your braking distances are longer

try doing the ELK test at 150km vs 80... you'd fail every time...


you're assuming a perfect world where no one else makes mistakes. Your speeding may not lead to you causing an accident, but your speeding WILL impair your ability to deal with the mistakes of others. This, you absolutely cannot deny.

I suggest the "edit" function. This post is just gibberish.

Assuming you mean something different from what you actually wrote you are just really mistaken.

Google "speeding and accident rates ".

And PS the "elk" test would be the "Moose" test here. An Elk Is a European Moose. An elk in North America isn't, it's a Wapiti. Myself, I don't hit Moose, that's the only safe technique. Speed helps avoid a Moose collisions, less time in the collision zone. Hitting a Moose at ANY speed will be bad for you, and the Moose. A bull Moose can weigh 1,800 lbs....

[7thgear]

i'm not editing anything, i'm sorry that you either can't read or have no understanding of physics or the function of the nervous system

driving at 60km/h you have a higher chance at avoiding sudden events than if you were driving at 120km/h

higher chance at avoiding an accident = less accidents!


this is you, telling me this:

"i could not avoid the suddenly stopped car because i was driving too fast... but my speed had nothing to do with it"

or

"when i hit that huge puddle on the highway and hydroplaned into the wall, it wasn't because i was driving at 150km/h but because the damn water levitated me off the ground"

[Suberman]

Originally Posted by 7thgear

i'm not editing anything, i'm sorry that you either can't read or have no understanding of physics or the function of the nervous system

driving at 60km/h you have a higher chance at avoiding sudden events than if you were driving at 120km/h

higher chance at avoiding an accident = less accidents!


this is you, telling me this:

"i could not avoid the suddenly stopped car because i was driving too fast... but my speed had nothing to do with it"

or

"when i hit that huge puddle on the highway and hydroplaned into the wall, it wasn't because i was driving at 150km/h but because the damn water levitated me off the ground"

This is the kind of thought experiment that leads people to the wrong conclusions.

In each case you describe the speed of the vehicle was not relevant to the cause of the accident. The cause of the accident in each case was driver error.

Your "rationale" to give it more credit than it deserves is that because you might hit an object in the road or you might hydroplane off the road that you should always drive at 60 km/hr instead of 120 km/hr. This is indeed the rationale used by the speed kills idiots.

The odd thing is German drivers routinely drive at speeds of 200 km/hr and think nothing of it. Why? Two factors: they don't just give you a drivers license in Germany, you have to prove you know how to really drive and, Germans don't drive into obstacles on the road nor do they hydroplane off the road. They drive to the conditions.

You may be safer at 60 km/hr but I will be perfectly safe at 160 km/hr, probably under the same conditions. Please watch your mirrors and move out of the way promptly.

[7thgear]

Originally Posted by Suberman

In each case you describe the speed of the vehicle was not relevant to the cause of the accident. The cause of the accident in each case was driver error.

how is it YOUR fault that another driver decided to pull out at the wrong time, swerve into your lane, hit the brakes, have a kid run across the street, some random object flying off the back of a moving dumptruck.. etc

how is that driver error? It's the other driver's error, sure, but you had nothing to do with the creation of a dangerous situation

the only thing left for you to do is try and avoid it, and speed is a factor in your ability to do that.

you're discussing a very lateral interpretation of it, something you read in a paper 5 years ago and now use it every chance you have to justify your excessive speeding


a much better way to go about it would be to say "at these speeds i feel confident in my abilities to control the car" rather than "it doesn't matter how fast i go because it's irrelevant!"

[Rossman]

Originally Posted by Suberman

Nonsense. If you think the police are doing a good job you need an attitude adjustment. The whole system is rotten and it starts with the police and the fact that police budgets are funded in part from traffic fines.

You are unbelievably naive and, frankly, part of this problem.

You are simply deciding what you want to be true, then trying to fit facts around that to support your decision.

Bottom line is, you're a retard that isn't even worth trying to explain things to, because you are so stupid you will never, ever get it, no matter what. You've already decided what you think to be true and as such will not change that regardless of how wrong you actually are.

[DoomsdayJesus]

Originally Posted by Rossman

This is what pieces of shit like DoomsdayJesus do. People like him are pretty much a big component with what is wrong with society today.

No, the problem with society is cops placing profit over safety. I'm a safe driver. Yet they'd rather nail me for doing a few miles over the speed limit then some asshat weaving in and out of lanes because they're having a meltdown with their boyfriend on a cellphone while driving.

Nice blanket statement and contribution to the debate too, assclown.

[ZionsWrath]

lol I kind of agree.

I got a ticket for 83 in a 50. Went to court and it was reduced to a parking ticket with no effort and no lawyer. It is clearly about the $.

[mabviper]

Everybody thinks they're Schumacher and have godly driving skills. Speed is a factor in accidents.


I'm sorry but you're stupid and naive if you think speed is not a factor, especially in this country.


1 small change in your 160km/h steady state driving can lead into an accident due to the fact that your reaction time needs to be extremely fast to cope with the change. There are just so many hazards in the roads in Canada to neglect the effect of speed. Animals, road conditions, slow drivers can lead to a big change, from steady state, that can upset the car.


Do yourselves and every other driver on the road a favor. Go and drive your car in a track. Go as fast as you can and learn how your car reacts to the speed. Try to learn the car's limits but most importantly, your own limits. If you think you can't go out of control at 100km/h, think again, lol.


Technically, speed doesn't cause accidents. It's the arrogant driver that does.

[ZionsWrath]

You are also correct, but a police officer hiding in the woods at night. I drive by on an empty road at X speed. He pulls me over and gives a ticket. I plead not guilty and go to court. It is reduced to a parking ticket.

What am I to think of the legal system in regards to traffic law enforcement?

[7thgear]

Originally Posted by ZionsWrath

You are also correct, but a police officer hiding in the woods at night. I drive by on an empty road at X speed. He pulls me over and gives a ticket. I plead not guilty and go to court. It is reduced to a parking ticket.

What am I to think of the legal system in regards to traffic law enforcement?

you pray to the diety of your choice that you got off lucky this time and next time don't speed so much.