Can hellaflush be done "right"

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by RRnold

I would rather see a hellaflush car than a riced out car with a huge body kit that doesn't fit, huge wing, pointless decals, huge fart pipe and a douchebag kid driving it.

To me hellaflush is in the same category as a car that is riced out.

[Dave-ROR]

Personally I don't consider calling a trend retarded to be the same as calling a person retarded. The two things are completely different.

I've done plenty of retarded things in my life, but I'm not a tard.. well maybe I'm a bad example. :P

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by WingsofWar

Ok guys, even if you don't care much for different car cultures. At least be respectful to others especially if you disagree with their views and tastes. Telling people they are stupid/retarded/silly for liking different things is stretching my tolerance.

I have no problem calling an inanimate object stupid. That doesn't go against the TOS of the forum. Calling another member stupid is a different story.

[RRnold]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

Not the point of the thread. The point of the thread was whether or not hellaflush can be done right, ie, keeping performance and safety.

True "hellaflush" will be less safe and have lower performance limits than properly fitted and setup wheel/tire/suspension setups. So the answer is no as explained already.

I personally think the VIP, hella flush, etc crap is really really retarded but at the same time I don't give a crap what others do with their cars as long as it doesn't affect me any. The bad part is, some of these hellaflush setups can affect your life because some of them ARE dangerous.

If it's a show car, have the wheels at 80 degree camber for all I care.

I agree and it did originate from somewhere where it was functional!

[Dave-ROR]

Oh yeah, an exhibition event

Even if we want to call them race cars I certainly hope people keep their street cars at a safer level than their race cars. The cage/seat/harness is the only thing safe about my race car.

[WingsofWar]

I've done plenty of retarded things in my life, but I'm not a tard.. well maybe I'm a bad example. :P

me too!

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

Personally I don't consider calling a trend retarded to be the same as calling a person retarded. The two things are completely different.

Originally Posted by tranzformer

I have no problem calling an inanimate object stupid. That doesn't go against the TOS of the forum. Calling another member stupid is a different story.

I understand completely they are two different things and does not break TOS. However let me also say that many tuners and enthusiast believe that a vehicle is also an extension of them-self. Some see the car as a blank canvas, and project their own sense of beauty onto the car. This does not escape engineering minded individuals who build their car for function. Also a personal projection of who they are.

When you start to describe someones car in an ill manner, its not surprising that they would take it as a personal attack. Even more so for one who is in love..or attached to their car.

When you start to describe someones beliefs in an ill manner, like a car culture or even religion, politics, ect..they will take it as a personal attack. Again amplified to how attached they are to the ideals.

Whichever the justification is wrong or right. Just be aware of this psychological element before directing any sort of hate towards something.

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that being said

majority of hella-flush guys are retarded j/k

[RRnold]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

Oh yeah, an exhibition event

Even if we want to call them race cars I certainly hope people keep their street cars at a safer level than their race cars. The cage/seat/harness is the only thing safe about my race car.

Don't forget FWD... that's a safety feature! j/k

Not just exhibition events either. The BTCC and JTCC carsback in the days were all slammed! I loved the old Nissan Primeras. It was actually fun to watch some of those races on the old Speed TV before they sold out to Nascar.

[Midnight Run]

Originally Posted by Want.FR-S

So forgive me for my ignorance: what is the point of flush fitment if there is no way for the tire vertical movement? It seems that it will scrape the panel no matter how hard you set your spring...

Because Race Car.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by RRnold

Don't forget FWD... that's a safety feature! j/k

Not just exhibition events either. The BTCC and JTCC carsback in the days were all slammed! I loved the old Nissan Primeras. It was actually fun to watch some of those races on the old Speed TV before they sold out to Nascar.

FWD is a safety feature for those who can't drive, like me

And I wouldn't describe any of that second set of pics as hellaflush.

[RRnold]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

FWD is a safety feature for those who can't drive, like me

And I wouldn't describe any of that second set of pics as hellaflush.

Based on Andrew's post, the neg camber and being tucked seem to fit the bill but hellaflush has been domesticated to a household term. I know it refers more towards the wide wheels, super stretched tires, and -5 deg camber.

I don't mean to sound like an advocate for the hellaflush look but it's been around since the 80's in both Japan and in Europe. Car enthusiasts want to keep pushing the envelope and perhaps it's beyond people's threshold.

To me, it's not that bad and I've seen uglier that I'd rather hate on than the hellaflush look.

[SVTSHC]

"Hellaflush" and "retain drive-ability and performance" don't belong in the same sentence; it's just grammatically incorrect, not to mention scientifically impossible.


I mean unless...
If you can say F*** you physics then ANYTHING is possible

[WingsofWar]

needs more hellajiggawatts

[TylerLieberman]

.....Ok

A car CAN be hellaflush and still be functional. WingsofWar said it spot on. Far too many people are getting onicamber "VIP" style cars confused with the term hellaflush. Hellaflush does not mean the car has to be dropped to where you're tucking 2" of rim and running 3+degrees of camber front and rear....

I saw a question regarding movement of the wheels....Simple, when the rear end squats, the rear wheels camber in. Imagine this:

l <-fender
/ <-stretched sidewall of tire

^^Kinda ghetto but imagine as the wheel moves up, the wheel cambers in further and the stretched sidewall is allowing for extra clearance. When done right, you should have little to no rubbing on the fenders. Granted, hellaflush and super low ride height is not the way to be when you wanna be super competative. (Formula D-but FD sucks anyways)

What's funny is the people that try to shoot it down and hate and they have the most ridiculous examples as to why it's dumb. People talk about cut springs, cars that sit on the ground and run retarded camber.


See this car in real life and it is hellaflush. With 18x11 with 275/35 tires and no more than a degree of camber in the rear. Very competative still.



^^Another great example. Homie George Marstanovic back in AZ in this car. Took 3rd for the 2011 XDC series.

IT CAN BE DONE! You just have to do it right!

[Argent6978]

Hmmm, that somehow makes me thing of this:





EDIT: Dangit Wings! You got to it before I did!!! :P