Cash for Clunkers talk heating up

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

As fate would have it, I got an email today from GM that they are taking nonbidding reservations on the new 2021 Escalade.

https://www.cadillac.com/future-vehi.../reserve-yours

Of course that really just means they are collecting names for when they really do have them to reserve.

And very possibly using it as one of their data tools to determine when and how many to make.

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

............ I got an email today from GM that they are taking nonbinding reservations on the new 2021 Escalade.

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I'm impressed - I didn't get one -

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by humfrz

I'm impressed - I didn't get one -

They know you used to have a Miata so figure you are not interested.

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

They know you used to have a Miata so figure you are not interested.

That may be true but, anyway.

[soundman98]

Originally Posted by humfrz

I'm impressed - I didn't get one -

don't be. if you saw the base price, you wouldn't be able to take a nap!

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by humfrz

I'm impressed - I didn't get one -

I'm pretty sure I got it because GM knows I own a Suburban. I'm a member of their "Truck Legends" club for folks that have owned GM truck products that have gone over 150,000 miles or something like that.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

I'm pretty sure I got it because GM knows I own a Suburban. I'm a member of their "Truck Legends" club for folks that have owned GM truck products that have gone over 150,000 miles or something like that.

It now makes a GM truck a legend if it goes over 150K?
If that is the case then my dad had a 68 C-10 that was a GOD!

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

It now makes a GM truck a legend if it goes over 150K?
If that is the case then my dad had a 68 C-10 that was a GOD!

Actually, its only 100K miles.

https://www.chevytrucklegends.com/us/en/index.html

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Actually, its only 100K miles.

https://www.chevytrucklegends.com/us/en/index.html

Hell, a truck ain't even broke in yet at that.

[soundman98]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

It now makes a GM truck a legend if it goes over 150K?
If that is the case then my dad had a 68 C-10 that was a GOD!

with a sample size of 4 GM vans, my boss has a cost analysis table somewhere he was telling me about... once the trucks hit 150k miles, repair costs consistently jump, and have followed the same pattern for all trucks so far.

mines at 253k.

[why?]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

That's not my experience, at least when comparing ICE to ICE.

My experience is vehicles have fuel tanks sized to their specific MPG ratings to meet a certain number of miles.

For example, my Suburban averages about 18MPG on the road, but it also has a 31 gallon tank. I can easily drive 500 miles on a single tank of fuel with margin.

By contrast, my 86 where I average 34MPG has a 13 gallon tank, which can go for about 400 miles before you get concerned with stopping.

Obviously, the 86 is cheaper to run, but the time I can run it is actually less than my Suburban.

I doub the 20MPG car in your case would have a similar size tank to a car that is getting a signicant enough increase that you only have to fill it once per month, unless you are talking about a plug-in hybrid and you are running it a substantial amount of time on electrons. (and that may be what you are referring to)

Yea, and use case matters too. However even in my BRZ I can go a month between fill ups sometimes. In my old Yaris I was getting 45+ mpg all the time. I haven't driven anything as large as a Suburban in over 20 years, but at one point we had a conversion van, and even back then putting 50+ gallons of gas into it was painful on the wallet.

Originally Posted by strat61caster

Sorry, that's my personal threshold for 'acceptable'/'not awful', I know it's not great but again I'm going off the belief that building a new car is more impactful to the environment than scrapping an old car that's still got another 100k miles of life with reasonable emissions associated.

I have the same experience as Dadhawk, range is a useless metric for efficiency since I get more range out of the old family F150 with ~18mpg and a >20 gallon tank than my FRS, it's obviously not an amazing experience paying >2x as much for that same biweekly fill up.

We've had ~40mpg vehicles for almost 40 years now, there'd be more of them still on the road if it wasn't for the first C4C program.

https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find...n=sbs&id=11698

I see mid-90's Hondas and Toyotas all the time around here that a new C4C program will gobble up, the people who need those cars and 'upgrade' to a mid 00's car will likely see a decrease in fuel economy. Or they'll take out a loan to get an early '10's car and keep themselves in a debt hole. It seems that fuel economy gains were fairly flatline in the 00's, most people who can't afford a >$10k car are not going to be upgrading to a 40+ mpg vehicle any time soon.


Sure it's a different economy in the snow belt that I don't fully understand, getting some of those rusty chassis off the road is likely a good thing, but it's still a regressive policy funneling funds to those who should be able to survive without it.

No one actually wants 40+ mpg vehicles. If they did they auto manufacturers would have put more cash into researching vehicles that could easily hit that with an ice engine. But 20 mpg is just painful. You can get that easily in a massive SUV with a twin turbo 6 cylinder engine.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by why?

Yea, and use case matters too. However even in my BRZ I can go a month between fill ups sometimes..

Well, that's true. For me to go a month in my 86, I'd have to get 138 miles to the gallon on a light driving month.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Hell, a truck ain't even broke in yet at that.

The 3 GM trucks I've owned (two Astros and a Suburban) were way past that. The Astros were 254K miles and 283K miles. The 254K mile one was still running and I've had driven it from GA to CA. The other one had a motor bearing seize to end it's life.

The Suburban is at about 170,000 miles. When I bought it in 2012 it had 90,000 miles on it.