I know the automatic has paddles, but.....

[Jedi1]

Yep, it's backwards. It just is. : )

[b.e]

Originally Posted by Jedi1

I am fairly confident that someone on the development team knows pulling the shifter towards the driver should be an upshift and pushing it towards the dash should be a downshift. This makes sense because under braking it is easier to push the shifter forward to downshift and exactly the opposite is true under acceleration.

This means feedback is going the wrong way. If some poor driver depends on the inertia of his arm to shift, and if pushing forward downshifts, then a hard brake will cause a downshift, then the extra engine drag will cause a second downshift, then the over-revs will cause a third downshift (should the ECU allow it). Brake hard and this positive feedback leaves you in first.

No, they did it right. By making the driver fight against inertia (thus making inertia a negative feedback mechanism) the driver must force the downshift when braking hard. The lawyers might also like the idea of an object flying forward during a hard brake not causing a downshift.

Plus it matches the shifting in my Tundra, so I didn't need to learn anything new.

[rcm47]

That would be cool if it was just like the initial d arcade game!

[Calum]

Originally Posted by uspspro

it would be easiest to change the wiring at the ECU (or junction block), rather than make physical changes to the switches.

Cleanest way would be to have two mini jumper harnesses.

One that swaps the wires, and one that reverts it back to stock.

The cleanest way would be to unpin and swap the wires, either at the ECU, or another plug upstream. Unfortunately that's probably gonna require wiring diagrams or exploratory surgery. I'd sart by lifting the bezel around the shifter and looking for switches.

[UncleFester]

The shift pattern doesn't seem backwards to me. It's an auto trans with paddles not a race sequential. It follows the typical gross market pattern.

Good luck on switching it over. Hopefully it's easier than it sounds.

[Jedi1]

I hope its just a matter of switching the plugs and I totally understand why it doesn't bother many people. It bugs me because I have been involved with Motorsport Professionally for many years and it just feels completely wrong in my case. I shall work to fix it for myself and if I can figure it out I'll tell folks here just in case there are more out there that feel it's backwards.

Sean

[SUB-FT86]

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[Psy-q]

Originally Posted by atledreier

The de'facto standard is 'backwards', sadly. I haven't seen any semi-auto box that had the stick the 'right' way. It's a pain in the butt. Looked into swapping them on my VW DSG, but the wiring down there is just overengineered to the nth degree. I skipped it and just live with it for now.

All bmws (auto, smg, DCT) have it the "right way". Mazda 3's have it "the right way". Mitsubishi has it the "right way" on their DCTs but not the regural autos...wierdly. Also Maserati Quattroporte has it the right way as well.

I belive there are some European brands that got it properly too.

So people do have the right to expect this very sporty subayota to come with "proper" shift pattern of the auto.

P.S.

Pretty much all cars from FIAT SPA come with autos the "proper way". Check out the fiat 500 and alfa romeo gullietta.
And even the Dodge dart too!

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by Jedi1

Sorry, its not personal preference when every sequential box put into any modern era race car is upshift towards the driver and downshift towards the dash. If you personaly like it the other way around, that's cool. But, it is backwards when compared to track specific sequential boxes.

Yes, but race drivers are usually not complete morons (as well as having the g forces to deal with), which unfortunately make up a huge percentage of normal car buyers.

To them forward = up = upshift, most likely. Plus automatic gear selection is that way, too. (At least in the Toyota's and Subaru's that I've driven.)

[@Art_Mighty]

Originally Posted by Jedi1

I hope its just a matter of switching the plugs and I totally understand why it doesn't bother many people. It bugs me because I have been involved with Motorsport Professionally for many years and it just feels completely wrong in my case. I shall work to fix it for myself and if I can figure it out I'll tell folks here just in case there are more out there that feel it's backwards.

Sean

Did you ever figure this out?

[madfast]

Originally Posted by Psy-q

All bmws (auto, smg, DCT) have it the "right way". Mazda 3's have it "the right way". Mitsubishi has it the "right way" on their DCTs but not the regural autos...wierdly. Also Maserati Quattroporte has it the right way as well.

I belive there are some European brands that got it properly too.

So people do have the right to expect this very sporty subayota to come with "proper" shift pattern of the auto.

P.S.

Pretty much all cars from FIAT SPA come with autos the "proper way". Check out the fiat 500 and alfa romeo gullietta.
And even the Dodge dart too!

add suzuki to the list that have it the "right way". and who remembers the MR2 SMT? that had it the right way as well.

anyways, low gear on an AT is down, so they made it follow this convention. this is the simplest explanation. manufacturers that go against this convention have enough balls to literally flip it upside down and do what the race cars do, and not what the soccer mom expects.

also lets not forget the myriad of ways manufacturers had steering wheel activated shifting, even after ferrari came out with the F1 paddle shifters in the 355. MB and lexus had buttons, bmw and porsche had a toggle switch/"paddle", and look at the miata with a button and a paddle... only now has everyone sorta agreed to use right paddle up, left paddle down... then theres the whole wheel mounted vs column mounted paddles debate...

[Jedi1]

Art, we bought the car and I immediately went on a three month tour. I haven't been home since July 5th! I will look into it a bit when I get home. The other side of this equation is the paddles on the wheels are correct and that's pretty much all I will ever use anyway. If the sequential is an easy fix, I'll do it. If it requires an electronics degree, I'm out!

[Laika]

Fun fact: As far as I know, Mazda does it correctly on the "6" where forwards is a downshift and backwards is an up shift. You know, the direction of momentum.

[86dreams]

Originally Posted by Laika

Fun fact: As far as I know, Mazda does it correctly on the "6" where forwards is a downshift and backwards is an up shift. You know, the direction of momentum.

They do it on the Miata's correctly as well. Tuned a turbo 2007 last night that had it.... was pretty interesting.