the frs/brz is already plenty fast.

[zc06_kisstherain]

I understand OP but like others said BRZ is slow for these days comparing to other sporty cars.

[raven1231]

Originally Posted by zc06_kisstherain

I understand OP but like others said BRZ is slow for these days comparing to other sporty cars.

Definitely. When compared to other sporty cars or family cars/minivans, perhaps even some semis

[themadscientist]

I like the car for the handling and all around balance not for power. I have a car for that and I'd wager on a tight twisty road the "slow" BRZ would leave my GTR behind. Comparatively, my screwdriver sucks at driving nails.

[BuzzR]

Originally Posted by themadscientist

I'd wager on a tight twisty road the "slow" BRZ would leave my GTR behind.

The BRZ excels in maneuverability, not speed. I've gone around 45mph turns at almost 80. It would probably do better if I pushed it. Most cars can't do that.

>>>No they aren't.. I saw a 2014 Mustang v6 premium with 6k miles for the exact same price I paid for my 2013 BRZ Limited with 15k miles. They are very close in price. <<<

I don't know about used prices, but when I was pricing new cars last April the Mustang I looked at was 10Gs higher than the BRZ I ended up getting - and the Mustang wasn't anything special.

I looked at a new Corvette at my dealer last week - $87,000. My BRZ cost 25. Helluva price to pay for maneuverability AND speed. I'm happy with the "slow" BRZ.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by BuzzR

>>>No they aren't.. I saw a 2014 Mustang v6 premium with 6k miles for the exact same price I paid for my 2013 BRZ Limited with 15k miles. They are very close in price. <<<

I don't know about used prices, but when I was pricing new cars last April the Mustang I looked at was 10Gs higher than the BRZ I ended up getting - and the Mustang wasn't anything special.

dafuq are you smoking? Or better yet your Ford dealer?

http://www.ford.com/cars/mustang/models/

Those are the brand new models with independant rear suspension mind you, significant upgrade from the '14 and priors. Sure in other countries Mustangs are outrageously priced but in the USA and Canada Ford wallops the Toyobaru for performance per dollar.

[Turbowned]

It's slow, but fun. Lots of cars I've owned were like this, but they were designed in the 1980's. If you consider the inflation, those cars were a lot more expensive back then compared to ours. To be able to get a 200hp sports car for $25k is pretty darn awesome. Everyone loves to compare the S2000 to our car; well that car cost $32k in 2000 which is about $44k in today's dollars.

Considering some other cars I owned:

1987 Toyota MR2 112hp: ~$27k in 2014 dollars
1990 Mazda RX-7 Turbo II 203hp: ~$40k in 2014 dollars
1991 BMW 318is 134hp: ~$40k in 2014 dollars
1994 Toyota MR2 Turbo 200hp: ~$45k in 2014 dollars

I don't think you can beat the FR-S/BRZ for new car bang-for-buck!

[Eski]

Originally Posted by perryair

now, if you are a regular at your local track or you spend a lot of time at the test and tune at your dragstrip this doesnt apply to you. and if you are a young carefree kid who doesn't have a career, wife or family yet i suppose this also doesn't apply to you.

but as an full fledged adult with adult things to do and family members to tend to and without time to oh, say, spend the day in jail on a reckless driving charge i can't possibly imagine how someone gets to the point where they think that the brz/frs is slow.

i've test driven both an FRS and BRZ and got to above legal speeds quite fast with both of them, thankyouverymuch. They feel just as fast/quick as my old 1995 mustang GT, which had 225 horsepower back then but probably carried an extra 500 lbs. (it also has just about the same quarter mile time and trap speed, as an aside) i managed to quickly get in front of traffic and do some things that probably were outside of the bounds of legal pretty easily.

in fact, id never call it fast but my current 100 and change horsepower honda civic has only made me feel uncomfortably slow in three merge into traffic situations over the span of five years of ownership.

so sure, a v6 camry has more horsepower! but try to use that extra horsepower in any meaningful way on a public road and odds are mister john q law will have something to say to you. not to mention that i doubt that more than a few percent of the driving populace has the driving skills necessary to even use half of the horsepower that any of their cars might have in the first place.

anyways, rant over..

first i want to say that threads like these make me laugh.

nobody in their right mind has time for this. ^

good rant, i understand where your coming from, it has plenty of power for daily driving and even for canyon runs. who needs 400whp on the street anyways? woo i can go 0 to the speed limit faster than you but i bet i get another exhibition of speed ticket if doing so. (such a bullshit ticket btw, especially if i dont spin the tires) this car has many bolt on options to add power for those who crave the power and have the time and money to upgrade. i only plan to keep my car for 2-3 years then upgrade to the next new toy so i dont particularly need moar power from the twins.

now for all you who are comparing mustangs to twins your not even comparing the same style of car. its like apples and cucumbers. one was made for drag strips and straight lines more so than the twisty back roads that the twins are amazingly fun to drive through. every car is made for different purposes and the twins, imo, have a decent amount of power for a daily driver and have plenty of hidden talents for the exciting weekend drives.

[MikeM7]

I think OP is confusing being an adult with being super boring and judgemental.

[Eski]

Originally Posted by MikeM7

I think OP is confusing being an adult with being super boring and judgemental.

im suprised he doesnt have his fuelly tag and bragging about his mpg driving the way he does.

[Lunatic]

They may not be the fastest thing out there but bang for the buck they are lot of fun.

[gravitylover]

Lemme know if that pony/muscle/wannabe super car leaves you giggling while ripping a country road late at night within ten (or so) percent of the posted speed limit while getting 29mpg. Fast? No. Fun? You bet.

[Eski]

Originally Posted by Lunatic

They may not be the fastest thing out there but bang for the buck they are lot of fun.

i drove a 2nd gen prius for 7 years. i feel like im driving a formula one racecar compared to that slow piece. one of the best parts is the lack of body roll in the twins (especially blue series)

[BuzzR]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

dafuq are you smoking? Or better yet your Ford dealer?

What part of, "... when I was pricing new cars last April the Mustang I looked at was 10Gs higher than the BRZ I ended up getting - and the Mustang wasn't anything special" do you not understand?

Perhaps I got a really good price on the BRZ, but that was the price difference for the car I looked at.

So why the hostility?

[Agent 86]

I traded my 2013 Golf-R for the BRZ huge difference in power and torque, even the trade value was $2k more than my out the door price for my BRZ, but I bought the BRZ anyway.

As much as I loved the R, I love everything about the BRZ even more. I'm more than satisfied with my purchase.

I don't understand why so many are dissatisfied with the "lack of HP/Tq", yet bought a twin anyway???

BTW, I bought the BRZ over a new Audi S5.