dont hate me for asking.. weight?

[2fast4you]

Originally Posted by Alias

It's obviously not very realistic to think this is accurate but that's what it is saying (and what the original post was asking). It sure would be nice if it was true but it's so far off all the other reported numbers I just don't see it happening.

I think we all agree something is off about those numbers, and to further add to the confusion...

Originally Posted by Fox

Confirmed Specs for German 86:


i just post the new facts because we all know the rest


weight in kg MT: 1200
weight in kg AT: 1223
Acceleration 0-100km/h in seconds: 7,6 (MT) / 8,2 (AT)
top speed in km/h: 230 (MT) / 215 (AT)
fuel consumption overall in liters: 6,9



there are also some new pics on the toyota homepage!!

Apparently it gained a few kilos and goes slower in Germany... it must be the beer and sausages.

[Dragonitti]

Confusion Much?

[Fox]

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

Confusion Much?

yes!

[tripjammer]

0 to 60 in the mid 6 secs range....2601 curb weight....I will go with those...hehe!
that's 0 to 62 in 6.9 secs
Fast enough...and we all know the manufacturer 0 to 60 times are always slower than actual times tested by the car mags.

[serialk11r]

I don't think it'll hit 100kph in 2nd gear, that may be why the times look so different, since that extra shift into 3rd takes an extra fraction of a second.

And I think 1210kg curb in the brochure that they're handing out seems to be the US curb weight, which appears to be full tank of fuel + all fluids filled up. The Scion is likely a tiny bit lighter due to the missing trim bits and nav, but that's it. So 2640lb curb?

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by SunnyD

0-100km = 0-62 mph, so if its 6.9 seconds to 62 mph, it should be a couple tenths less to get to 60. In any case, isn't this what we were expecting for this car?

Originally Posted by 2fast4you

I think we all agree something is off about those numbers, and to further add to the confusion...



Apparently it gained a few kilos and goes slower in Germany... it must be the beer and sausages.

Listed as 8.2s 0-62 with the AT. I doubt the issue is that 3rd shift to get to 100kph. Those numbers just don't make sense and I figure it is due to testing method.

[fistpoint]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

A lot of people WANTED a 6 second 0-60.

And they can still get it. The RSX-S over the years through different magazines and drivers have had posted 0-60 times between 5.9 and 7.0 depending on which magazine did the testing.

Testing methods also differ from source to source. Some do lift-throttle shifts while others don't. Some testing is done in better whether, and some testing vehicles were ragged out, some were too new and still others well broken in.

So, 6 flat is still very possible based simply on its power output and weight with regard to numerous vehicles existing today with similar specs, namely the RSX and Civic Si's, the latter of which weighs more yet still achieves mid 6 second times(not talking about the 2012).

[Mr.Jay]

Originally Posted by serialk11r

I don't think it'll hit 100kph in 2nd gear, that may be why the times look so different, since that extra shift into 3rd takes an extra fraction of a second.

And I think 1210kg curb in the brochure that they're handing out seems to be the US curb weight, which appears to be full tank of fuel + all fluids filled up. The Scion is likely a tiny bit lighter due to the missing trim bits and nav, but that's it. So 2640lb curb?

I thought we confirmed already from on of the videos that the car will hit 60mph at the top of 2nd?

[Lowellrenzo]

Originally Posted by carbonBLUE

ok ive searched google and this site, but does anyone have a clear definition of the differences between us gross weight and European gross weight?

the car is 2600lbs gross in Europe, in america that means fully loaded with a couple people and some luggage, soooo...
if that similar to Europe's definition of gross weight?

i mean if thats right the car could come in around 2
4xxlbs dry right?


picture is from the Geneva thread posted recently


ridicule me if ya want as long as its a clear answer

[Spaceywilly]

^it's Nm and Scion is in lb/ft. 205Nm = 151lb/ft

[tachi1247]

yeah...picked up another 11 ft lb. All these discrepancies probably have to do with the test standards used to measure them. Like when sae changed how they measure horsepower several years ago. The 200hp civic so became 195 HP under the new test procedure.

edit: no it didn't. Found an incorrect torque table on the web

[carbonBLUE]

Originally Posted by Mr.Jay

I thought we confirmed already from on of the videos that the car will hit 60mph at the top of 2nd?

it will hit 61.5mph at the top of second = 99kmh

[Gadflyii]

I would expect 0-60 time to be 6.7s if the 6.9s in that image is correct.

I am pretty sure Subaru has confirmed the curb weight at 2755 lbs curb weight right? The FR-S is going to be within ~50lbs of that depending on options. I would guess the difference in the weight on that info card, and Subaru's curb weight rating is based on differences in testing standards maybe? Not sure, but I am fully expecting US curb weight to be 2750-2850lbs for the manual.

[Draco-REX]

Vorshlag will have a USDM BRZ on a set of corner weight scales next week. We'll finally have some real numbers and can stop trying to make sense of marketing BS.