Pbm's vs Bc coilovers

[OmarGC]

lol at all the closed minded guys posting in this thread...

and kw v3's aren't great by any means

[s3xy_burrito]

I have a set of PBM coilovers and is one of the best bang for your buck entry level coilover. My friend owns stance coilovers on his brz and rides a bit more comfortably compared to the PBM on the same dampening settings. But I do admit the stance looks more well engineered due to the inverted mono tube. Haven't had a chance to test out bc coils so I have no valid opinion.

[dori.]

Originally Posted by m.wood0213

buy good or not at all save your money so your not buy 2 cheap sets just 1 good set. KW or wait for Zeal to make some for our cars. QUALITY over quantity.

only thing about KW is that he wants to slam his car, and KW's don't go that low. I think it's 1.5" max f/r.

[deucethemoose]

Originally Posted by dori.

only thing about KW is that he wants to slam his car, and KW's don't go that low. I think it's 1.5" max f/r.

KW goes lower than that. I have a couple inches of threads left on mine front and rear and have already gone at least 1.5" - 2" all around. However you are right - KWs are not for slamming your car.

Originally Posted by imput1234

Not true what so ever. You have 0 evidence to back that up.

Lol. You must be new to the concept of suspension. To give you a very basic, non scientific answer, a shock cannot do its job when it is near or at full compression from the get go. This is what you have with a car that is super slammed. So your only options are let the shock bottom out, or max it out on full stiff to avoid bottoming out. That means (and I'm sorry it's too hard for you to comprehend) that the car will ride like shit. Lets not even take into account how terrible the suspension geometry is thrown out of wack by being that low.

[speed6sam]

Originally Posted by deucethemoose

KW goes lower than that. I have a couple inches of threads left on mine front and rear and have already gone at least 1.5" - 2" all around. However you are right - KWs are not for slamming your car.


Lol. You must be new to the concept of suspension. To give you a very basic, non scientific answer, a shock cannot do its job when it is near or at full compression from the get go. This is what you have with a car that is super slammed. So your only options are let the shock bottom out, or max it out on full stiff to avoid bottoming out. That means (and I'm sorry it's too hard for you to comprehend) that the car will ride like shit. Lets not even take into account how terrible the suspension geometry is thrown out of wack by being that low.

That is 100% correct, on droop type coilovers like KW. BC Racing, Megan and a lot of other guys are not droop style, the ride height is adjusted by the shock body and not the spring. The shock travel remains the same no matter what ride height you are at.

It is not to be disputed however that the guys slamming their cars throw off the suspension geometry like no ones business, but we all know those guys only care about achieving a look and not how the car rides/performs.

[NemeGuero]

BC's go lower than the PBM's. I much prefer the ride quality of the PBM's though and thats where I'd spend my money. (I did) but yah, get the Pro's.

[imput1234]

Originally Posted by deucethemoose

Lol. You must be new to the concept of suspension. To give you a very basic, non scientific answer, a shock cannot do its job when it is near or at full compression from the get go. This is what you have with a car that is super slammed. So your only options are let the shock bottom out, or max it out on full stiff to avoid bottoming out. That means (and I'm sorry it's too hard for you to comprehend) that the car will ride like shit. Lets not even take into account how terrible the suspension geometry is thrown out of wack by being that low.

I am an Engineer, have driven at over 2 dozen road courses, and have daily driven cars lower than what 99% of this forum has experienced.

Again you said "Nothing has a good ride quality" which isn't true. Ride Quality has nothing to do with roll center. Ride Quality is how the car feels when you drive it to the grocery store, and how it feels when you drive it across the country.

You could be on bags, touching the ground, and it would rice nice provide the equipment is not shit.

Again with the coilovers we are discussing, ride height is independent, your shock stays at the same length no matter what, so your argument is negated.



"full stiff"

-That has nothing do with ride quality.

A good damper will feel like how your ride feels stock.

[deucethemoose]

I wasn't associating the messed up geometry to ride quality. Go read again.

Dampening does effect ride quality. Yes, a good damper will feel like stock - but we aren't talking Ohlins or KW or Koni. We're talking budget coilovers. The valving in them is trash. Guys that want to set their shit as low as possible might run into the issue of bottoming wheel into fender due to poor compression or other issues and since the only adjustable aspect of a budget coilover is ride height and rebound dampening the rebound gets set all the way to hard to attempt to compensate. This clearly affects ride quality.

Ride quality is ultimately personal taste. Having experienced many of the budget coilovers myself (BC, Megan, DGR, K-Sport, etc) I understand what good ride quality is - and this is why I went with a high quality coilover. Rides like stock.

[SLICVIC]

Originally Posted by deucethemoose

Lol. You must be new to the concept of suspension. To give you a very basic, non scientific answer, a shock cannot do its job when it is near or at full compression from the get go. This is what you have with a car that is super slammed. So your only options are let the shock bottom out, or max it out on full stiff to avoid bottoming out. That means (and I'm sorry it's too hard for you to comprehend) that the car will ride like shit. Lets not even take into account how terrible the suspension geometry is thrown out of wack by being that low.

BCs can be lowered without compressing the shock. i think you might confusing the OP


ive never heard of the PBM coils but i have the extreme drop BCs , i believe they are the lowest you can buy on the market, but i could be wrong.

Originally Posted by deucethemoose

Save your money and buy air ride if all you care about is hard parking and looking at it. That way it doesn't drive/ride like dog shit when you need to go anywhere.

i disagree, a rolling static car looks better than any hardparked "air" car IMO .

So much for asking for help about a topic and people on here take it COMPLETELY off topic

[Jarumie42172]

Originally Posted by SLICVIC

i disagree, a rolling static car looks better than any hardparked "air" car IMO .

So much for asking for help about a topic and people on here take it COMPLETELY off topic

And being able to air up when driving away is a privilege its not really needed. I agree with you a rolling static car looks better.