Do you ever get used to steering by wire, - Page 2 - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

bkharmony · 05-07-2018, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

pics or fake news

Tough crowd. I'll take a pic when I get home.

Tokay444 · 05-07-2018, 05:40 PM

I got a new gun the other day.

ermax · 05-07-2018, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat

I don't believe there are any production steer by wire cars.

Infiniti Q50

ermax · 05-07-2018, 05:54 PM

Just like a hydraulic rack the steering column is directly connected to the rack. It's just a motor that does the assist rather than hydraulics. Typically what gives a car a disconnected feeling is too much assist and/or soft bushings in the rack and suspension. The Twins have a fair bit of assist. I've replaced the rack bushing on past cars with solid bushings and it made a world of difference. I agree the Twins have a lack of feel. Not the worst but not on par with some other sports cars. I hope I don't get in trouble to being critical.

wbradley · 05-07-2018, 07:03 PM

I have a really good metric for comparison of the electric steering vs. hydraulic. My other vehicle is an STI, which has exactly the same 13.2:1 turn ratio but being an STI, one of the unique features of STI's is that they still feature hydraulic assist. I'd say I like the steering equally. My only gripe is grip! The steering wheel on the FR-S after 6 years and 58,000 km didn't feel as grippy as I'd like on the track last weekend. It looks fine but the leather is pretty sealed from hand sweat and gets slippery. I wonder if there is an acceptable wrap?

DandoX · 05-07-2018, 07:21 PM

Who needs feedback from the wheels?

bkharmony · 05-07-2018, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by wbradley

My only gripe is grip! The steering wheel on the FR-S after 6 years and 58,000 km didn't feel as grippy as I'd like on the track last weekend. It looks fine but the leather is pretty sealed from hand sweat and gets slippery. I wonder if there is an acceptable wrap?

The first thing I complained about when I got my 86 was the slippery steering wheel. Folks here told me it would get tackier, but after a year, it's still way too slick.

Impureclient · 05-07-2018, 07:41 PM

I found a gun in my sock today.

strat61caster · 05-07-2018, 07:47 PM

As per others the 86 is not steer by wire.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drive_...#Steer_by_wire

I find the difference negligible between this and a good hydraulic rack like in the NC Miata. It is worlds better than most hydraulic steering racks on the road today.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I don't believe there are any production steer by wire cars.

Infiniti Q50
Edit: Derp, too late, sorry for the repeated information.

Quote:

Originally Posted by wbradley

I wonder if there is an acceptable wrap?

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Originally Posted by bkharmony

The first thing I complained about when I got my 86 was the slippery steering wheel. Folks here told me it would get tackier, but after a year, it's still way too slick.

Leather cleaner, I've got a bottle of leatherique and my car is in desperate need of re-application.

Leather shouldn't be slippery and shiny, that's dirt and skin oil sitting on top of the material that needs to be cleaned off.

wbradley · 05-07-2018, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by strat61caster

As per others the 86 is not steer by wire.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drive_...#Steer_by_wire

Leather cleaner, I've got a bottle of leatherique and my car is in desperate need of re-application.

Leather shouldn't be slippery and shiny, that's dirt and skin oil sitting on top of the material that needs to be cleaned off.

Gonna do it now, but still wont be grippy enough...maybe I'll repaint the calipers while I'm at it. I somehow feel that wearing gloves to the track is too much for someone of my amateurness. LOL

ermax · 05-07-2018, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by wbradley

I have a really good metric for comparison of the electric steering vs. hydraulic. My other vehicle is an STI, which has exactly the same 13.2:1 turn ratio but being an STI, one of the unique features of STI's is that they still feature hydraulic assist. I'd say I like the steering equally. My only gripe is grip! The steering wheel on the FR-S after 6 years and 58,000 km didn't feel as grippy as I'd like on the track last weekend. It looks fine but the leather is pretty sealed from hand sweat and gets slippery. I wonder if there is an acceptable wrap?

How about a pair of gloves? I know it sounds silly but I got a pair for simracing because my wheel is suede and was destroying my hands. I ended up using the gloves at autox too and it helps a lot on hot Florida days.

Ultramaroon · 05-07-2018, 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by strat61caster

Leather shouldn't be slippery and shiny, that's dirt and skin oil sitting on top of the material that needs to be cleaned off.

OMG ewww!

humfrz · 05-07-2018, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by bkharmony

That's totally untrue.

Oh, and I found a random sock in the laundry yesterday that is definitely not mine. What do you guys make of that?

Ask your SO about that .......

humfrz

humfrz · 05-07-2018, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by bkharmony

Tough crowd. I'll take a pic when I get home.

Don't worry about it ....... till you find a pair of men's briefs, with the crotch all stretched out ......

humfrz

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ermax Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2017 Drives: 2022 BRZ Limited Silver Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 2,533 Thanks: 883 Thanked 2,049 Times in 1,191 Posts Mentioned: 68 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Just like a hydraulic rack the steering column is directly connected to the rack. It's just a motor that does the assist rather than hydraulics. Typically what gives a car a disconnected feeling is too much assist and/or soft bushings in the rack and suspension. The Twins have a fair bit of assist. I've replaced the rack bushing on past cars with solid bushings and it made a world of difference. I agree the Twins have a lack of feel. Not the worst but not on par with some other sports cars. I hope I don't get in trouble to being critical.

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