Turbo Time

[spike021]

Originally Posted by Eckstrey

I've had my 2017 860 for 7 months and 5000 miles. I love it but it time to start looking into FI. (my best friend drives a SC C7 Vette with Methane injection. 700WHP. The peer pressure to mod is real) I want to hit the 10HP per pound range so 280 WHP is my goal. This is a daily driver and reliability and longevity or a major concern for me. Car will be 99% street driven. Maybe occasional autocross. I am not interested in SC. Turbo is the way to go for me. I have a good friend who is a Toyota master tech and he will be available for assist with install. Looking for full kit with tune for around $7k but is its more, so be it. I want it to be as bullet proof as possible. Suggestions and input wanted. Go.

Not to beat the obviously dead horse here but..don't you want to master this car as-is with your own skill first and then upgrade stuff as you go that you don't enjoy about it?

Like, I have a very similar situation to you right now.. My coworker has an M2 and is constantly showing off its power. Every time we talk about our cars he says "when're you getting a supercharger man??" But I don't really give a shit because I'm enjoying my car as I learn to drive it, and any shortcoming I notice enough I've changed so far (primarily shift knob and exhaust). When it comes to power, I don't mind the dip like many do and the power works fine for me when I want it on the fun roads.

Maybe take a step back and decide what you want, not other people. lol.

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by Th3rdSun

What this guys said.

If you are gonna spend another $7k+ for another 80hp,you would've been better off getting a WRX. Generally speaking,it's just better idea to get a car that already has FI off the assembly line than buying aftermarket and having it installed later,speaking from a reliability standpoint.Furthermore,a lot of people think about boosting and forget about all of the extras that they really need to make the car not just fast,but safe to drive,like better brakes,better wheels and tires,and new suspension.

I like my FR-S and don't regret buying it,but because I do want a car with a little more power,I'm just waiting to see next gen STIs before I decide on anything,but that's just me.

Well, there are plenty of reasons to like this car, other than the engine it comes with. A WRX handles VERY different than a BRZ/86. Looks different too. Driving position, and lack of wanting to start vaping might also drive someone to get a BRZ/86 instead of a WRX.

If you want a BRZ/86 with more torque, a WRX is not the solution.

[PetrolioBenzina]

Needs this, too.

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[weederr33]

I see nothing wrong with adding more power to the car. In fact it slightly irritates me when people say "you bought the wrong car". No. No I didn't. I bought the perfect car for it. But it goes without saying you need to pay to play and should be ready for a blown motor if you add a turbo. I still say supercharger since it can give a linear response and feel like a bigger motor. But to each their own. Just do your research...

[spike021]

Originally Posted by weederr33

I see nothing wrong with adding more power to the car. In fact it slightly irritates me when people say "you bought the wrong car". No. No I didn't. I bought the perfect car for it. But it goes without saying you need to pay to play and should be ready for a blown motor if you add a turbo. I still say supercharger since it can give a linear response and feel like a bigger motor. But to each their own. Just do your research...

In this case it seems OP isn't this person who knows they bought a perfect car for it. They sound like they want it simply because they feel they have a slow car compared to what their peers own.

It's a different kind of story.

[weederr33]

Originally Posted by spike021

In this case it seems OP isn't this person who knows they bought a perfect car for it. They sound like they want it simply because they feel they have a slow car compared to what their peers own.

It's a different kind of story.

True story. I just hope they look further into the whole forced induction aspect.

[HKz]

Originally Posted by Th3rdSun

What this guys said.

If you are gonna spend another $7k+ for another 80hp,you would've been better off getting a WRX. Generally speaking,it's just better idea to get a car that already has FI off the assembly line than buying aftermarket and having it installed later,speaking from a reliability standpoint.Furthermore,a lot of people think about boosting and forget about all of the extras that they really need to make the car not just fast,but safe to drive,like better brakes,better wheels and tires,and new suspension.

I like my FR-S and don't regret buying it,but because I do want a car with a little more power,I'm just waiting to see next gen STIs before I decide on anything,but that's just me.

why do we need to shoot down new aspirations especially when the twins are heralded as this gen's tuner car? i totally get there are cheaper & more reliable options with going faster but if ya love the twins and want a faster twin theres nothing wrong if ya got the cash and time

[PetrolioBenzina]

Originally Posted by HKz

why do we need to shoot down new aspirations especially when the twins are heralded as this gen's tuner car? i totally get there are cheaper & more reliable options with going faster but if ya love the twins and want a faster twin theres nothing wrong if ya got the cash and time

Hundreds of good reason to mod. Peer pressure is a shitty one.

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by HKz

why do we need to shoot down new aspirations especially when the twins are heralded as this gen's tuner car? i totally get there are cheaper & more reliable options with going faster but if ya love the twins and want a faster twin theres nothing wrong if ya got the cash and time

Maybe some of us got the idea from what the OP said:

"This is a daily driver and reliability and longevity or a major concern for me. Car will be 99% street driven."





humfrz

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by HKz

why do we need to shoot down new aspirations especially when the twins are heralded as this gen's tuner car? i totally get there are cheaper & more reliable options with going faster but if ya love the twins and want a faster twin theres nothing wrong if ya got the cash and time

I know I come across as anti power but really I am not. There are some things that just need to be understood that I think are frequently overlooked or just plain ignored.

"I think that 300 (too infinity) HP is what it needs" - People do understand that the rated 200HP is not WHP right? The actual HP is somewhere around 170 WHP. To take it to 300 and higher is doubling what it has. People just seem to like to grab the numbers that much heavier cars have. What is wrong with going 200 to 250 WHP? Even 200 WHP is almost a 20% increase. With the light weight of the car taking it anywhere between 200 and 250 will stomp most of the common sports models of production cars out there. People going extreme FI because others call them "slow", "my buddy has a Corvette that has..." or "I read that..." are not good reasons. You want to go faster? Well you don't need 300 plus to do it. Unless it is a race car those high numbers are just bragging points. Where the hell do you guys do your daily driving where you even get to touch high horse power?

"It is my daily driver and it needs to be reliable" - Sure there are FI cars out there that have stood up fine. So far! You are adding stress to an engine that is not designed to take it and that throws reliability right out the window. The cheaper the set up and the less skilled the installer the greater the risk that something will fail. If that risk is understood and accepted then great but far to many guys new to this do not seem to fully get it.

"I am new to all this so what do I need to do" or "what is the best turbo for the least amount of money" - If you are asking these questions you are not ready to go this far. Why not start simple and work your skills and knowledge up with the car? Going to high HP set ups without knowing what you are doing is increasing the risk by several times. Great if somebody has a buddy that can do the work but what if they move away or get hit by a bus? Are they going to come to your rescue at 3am when your BOV sticks in the middle of nowhere? The impression given is that some people think going FI is a couple of hours bolting on parts and then driving off into the sunset to live happily ever after. What about clutches, axles, wheels, tires, exhaust, oil coolers, and all the other things that need to be considered? The people that know what is what and are the must successful with these projects are not here asking what they need to get. They are getting it.

All I am saying is that people need to think things through and saying "I want turbo and will not listen to other options" is not the best indicator they are ready to go that far. In this particular case the OP has shown several of the indicators he isn't ready including the every popular "Hey you guys do the research for me would you".

[Harey]

Agree with most of the comments, perhaps this isn't the right car for you.

If reliability is super important then the last thing you want to do is put fi on an n/a car. I know lots of people are having good success but still.

270whp still won't be anywhere near your friend anyway.

The most fun part about this car is obviously handling and if it is a complete street car it can be difficult to find roads to really enjoy the handling. Taking mine to the track a few times a year really helps me justify the car. Where as you can use power on the street very easily.

I'm still laughing about his friend having methane injection... :P

[Eckstrey]

Damn!!! Rough crowd. I may need crisis counciling after this. First of all thank you Weederr33 for the only constructive response to my post. Next I’m not getting into a turbo vs SC debate. That’s like arguing about religion or politics. You will never an idiots opinion and it always ends ugly. Suffice it to say I am going turbo for the same reasons most manufacturers chose turbos when they want to extract more power from a small displacement motor. And bababooey. You got me. 1hp per 10 lbs sound much more doable. As for all the arm chair psychologists out there trying to analyze my mindset. Eat me. The peer pressure comment was a joke. I’m obviously not trying to compete with a 200mph Vette. And 280 whp is not an 80hp jump it’s more like 120-130. That’s WHP...Wheel Horse Power. Ya dunce. —— like my pappy told me, “Son, always remember, half the people in the world are below average intelligence.”

[Eckstrey]

Did I really type Methane? I’m blaming that on auto correct. Obviously meant methanol. But methane injection... hmm...?

[fatoni]

Like ten total posts, admits to being new to the car, asks for input, complains when people give input.

On a side note, when oems use a turbo on a small car, it's designed to be turbo from the ground up and they hedge very different goals than you do.