Turbo Time - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

Eckstrey · 02-19-2018, 01:42 PM

I've had my 2017 860 for 7 months and 5000 miles. I love it but it time to start looking into FI. (my best friend drives a SC C7 Vette with Methane injection. 700WHP. The peer pressure to mod is real) I want to hit the 10HP per pound range so 280 WHP is my goal. This is a daily driver and reliability and longevity or a major concern for me. Car will be 99% street driven. Maybe occasional autocross. I am not interested in SC. Turbo is the way to go for me. I have a good friend who is a Toyota master tech and he will be available for assist with install. Looking for full kit with tune for around $7k but is its more, so be it. I want it to be as bullet proof as possible. Suggestions and input wanted. Go.

Spuds · 02-19-2018, 01:45 PM

Why turbo and not SC? Just curious.

weederr33 · 02-19-2018, 01:51 PM

Have you looked at the individual turbo owner's threads? They have some pretty good insight on the pros and cons and any known issues.

Eckstrey · 02-19-2018, 01:57 PM

With a turbo I have more options to increase power at a later date. Small motor already has limited torque. SC is like taking 2 steps back to take 3 steps forward. But the biggest reason is after many discussions about pros and cons with my master tach friend he agrees that if we keep the heat down Turbo will be the best way to meet my goals.

arxm · 02-19-2018, 03:18 PM

not sure what you mean by taking 2 steps back to go 3 forward with a supercharger, turbo has more potential yes but its also harder on your car, power delivery isnt as linear which mean when boost builds its like a violent surge on your components, not to mention the added stress to you oil system, you'd want an oil cooler with a turbo at the minimum as well as excellent heat management. turbos are also more expensive than a supercharger and for your power goals id say not really worth it but its not my car. as for turbo kits ive heard good things about greddy (on sale at ft86sf) also note that if you want maximum reliability it wouldnt hurt to build the engine but for 280whp you shouldnt need it youre in the somewhat agreed on "safe zone" which is about 300 on stock everything

bababooey · 02-19-2018, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Eckstrey

The peer pressure to mod is real) I want to hit the 10HP per pound range so 280 WHP is my goal. This is a daily driver and reliability and longevity or a major concern for me. I want it to be as bullet proof as possible. Suggestions and input wanted. Go.

motor gonna be toast @ 27xxx horsepower. haha

funwheeldrive · 02-19-2018, 04:38 PM

Sounds like you bought the wrong car.

Tcoat · 02-19-2018, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

Sounds like you bought the wrong car.

I sometimes wonder just how many turbos are installed due to peer pressure.
Also question a "master tech" recommending turbo over SC for reliability and longevity in a DD. Maybe the stories of some of the techs in the US are more accurate than I gave credit.

Leonardo · 02-19-2018, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat

I sometimes wonder just how many turbos are installed due to peer pressure.

Or MT's purchased, or worse yet, MT's swapped!!!!

I remember this game. LOL!

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ST185RC · 02-19-2018, 05:44 PM

99% of the time Daily driving, 280WHP goal. Seems like a supercharger would be best suited for your needs.

Linear torque increase and being belt driven means that there won't be the same heat issues and you get the most out of the torque curve for every day use.

Th3rdSun · 02-19-2018, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

Sounds like you bought the wrong car.

What this guys said.

If you are gonna spend another $7k+ for another 80hp,you would've been better off getting a WRX. Generally speaking,it's just better idea to get a car that already has FI off the assembly line than buying aftermarket and having it installed later,speaking from a reliability standpoint.Furthermore,a lot of people think about boosting and forget about all of the extras that they really need to make the car not just fast,but safe to drive,like better brakes,better wheels and tires,and new suspension.

I like my FR-S and don't regret buying it,but because I do want a car with a little more power,I'm just waiting to see next gen STIs before I decide on anything,but that's just me.

humfrz · 02-19-2018, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Eckstrey

I've had my 2017 860 for 7 months and 5000 miles. I love it but it time to start looking into FI. (my best friend drives a SC C7 Vette with Methane injection. 700WHP. The peer pressure to mod is real) I want to hit the 10HP per pound range so 280 WHP is my goal. This is a daily driver and reliability and longevity or a major concern for me. Car will be 99% street driven. Maybe occasional autocross. I am not interested in SC. Turbo is the way to go for me. I have a good friend who is a Toyota master tech and he will be available for assist with install. Looking for full kit with tune for around $7k but is its more, so be it. I want it to be as bullet proof as possible. Suggestions and input wanted. Go.

You might consider choosing another "Jones" to keep up with .......

humfrz

PetrolioBenzina · 02-19-2018, 06:29 PM

Think of how boring your car looks as well, OP! Your peers would have at least a Rocket Bunny.

ST185RC · 02-19-2018, 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I sometimes wonder just how many turbos are installed due to peer pressure.
Also question a "master tech" recommending turbo over SC for reliability and longevity in a DD. Maybe the stories of some of the techs in the US are more accurate than I gave credit.

28 psi of peer pressure. and boost spikes

02-19-2018, 01:42 PM	#1
Eckstrey Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Drives: 2017 Toyota 860 Special Edition Location: Opelousas, Louisiana Posts: 18 Thanks: 0 Thanked 15 Times in 8 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Turbo Time I've had my 2017 860 for 7 months and 5000 miles. I love it but it time to start looking into FI. (my best friend drives a SC C7 Vette with Methane injection. 700WHP. The peer pressure to mod is real) I want to hit the 10HP per pound range so 280 WHP is my goal. This is a daily driver and reliability and longevity or a major concern for me. Car will be 99% street driven. Maybe occasional autocross. I am not interested in SC. Turbo is the way to go for me. I have a good friend who is a Toyota master tech and he will be available for assist with install. Looking for full kit with tune for around $7k but is its more, so be it. I want it to be as bullet proof as possible. Suggestions and input wanted. Go.

02-19-2018, 01:51 PM	#3
weederr33 Airborne at your service Join Date: Sep 2014 Drives: '17 BRZ Series.Yellow Location: El Paso, Texas Posts: 6,420 Thanks: 4,578 Thanked 5,706 Times in 2,992 Posts Mentioned: 33 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	Have you looked at the individual turbo owner's threads? They have some pretty good insight on the pros and cons and any known issues. __________________ Series.Yellowbird - http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=122135 MS, CSCS, TSAC-F, CPT

02-19-2018, 03:18 PM	#5
arxm Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Drives: 2013 FR-S, 2023 BRZ Location: Toronto Posts: 248 Thanks: 108 Thanked 74 Times in 46 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	not sure what you mean by taking 2 steps back to go 3 forward with a supercharger, turbo has more potential yes but its also harder on your car, power delivery isnt as linear which mean when boost builds its like a violent surge on your components, not to mention the added stress to you oil system, you'd want an oil cooler with a turbo at the minimum as well as excellent heat management. turbos are also more expensive than a supercharger and for your power goals id say not really worth it but its not my car. as for turbo kits ive heard good things about greddy (on sale at ft86sf) also note that if you want maximum reliability it wouldnt hurt to build the engine but for 280whp you shouldnt need it youre in the somewhat agreed on "safe zone" which is about 300 on stock everything __________________ 2013 Whiteout FRS 6MT with a JRSC @ 330ish WHP on E98 2023 Ignition Red BRZ 6MT awaiting boost

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Eckstrey Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Drives: 2017 Toyota 860 Special Edition Location: Opelousas, Louisiana Posts: 18 Thanks: 0 Thanked 15 Times in 8 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	With a turbo I have more options to increase power at a later date. Small motor already has limited torque. SC is like taking 2 steps back to take 3 steps forward. But the biggest reason is after many discussions about pros and cons with my master tach friend he agrees that if we keep the heat down Turbo will be the best way to meet my goals.

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ST185RC Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Drives: White Out FR-S Location: Canada Posts: 672 Thanks: 31 Thanked 511 Times in 242 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	99% of the time Daily driving, 280WHP goal. Seems like a supercharger would be best suited for your needs. Linear torque increase and being belt driven means that there won't be the same heat issues and you get the most out of the torque curve for every day use.

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