SCCA Solo C Street Discussion

[simpleisbest]

Originally Posted by simpleisbest

Just needed to get to a computer.

Please find attached the pdf copy of an official publication from Toyota's accessories group. Big thanks to Jason I. and Steve M. to help clarify this situation for all.

This letter hereby confirms that the TRD Spring and Sway bar packages have been available as port options for all year FR-Ss to date.

Enjoy!

EDIT: 3/25/15 to update new letter from Toyota.

Please note I just received an update from Toyota.
So nice to see a manufacturer with management that actually listens to their customers
Enjoy!

[renfield90]

Originally Posted by simpleisbest

This should clarify things:

I see someone is ready for El Toro.

You won't be alone.

[Cueman]

Originally Posted by 7thgear

"spring bumper"

[7thgear]

Originally Posted by renfield90

I see someone is ready for El Toro.

You won't be alone.

I expect pax wins from the lot of you.


also, I propose a separate thread on the TRD springset to document your impressions.

[coneracer30]

Watching this with interest. Not sure if I should be excited or not. I don't really expect it to totally transform the car into an overdog. I would probably only do the springs. I don't generally like big rear bars without a proper limited slip dif.

[tahdizzle]

... so you are all debating on the TRD stuff on a non RS FR-S and classing in Solo.

Well if the RS is a B Street car. and You are all planning on putting parts from a B Street Car because of a document that says they are port installed parts on all models of FR-S.

Then the most logical thing to assume is: FR-S's will probably be moved to B Street.

end debate.

[7thgear]

Originally Posted by tahdizzle

Then the most logical thing to assume is: FR-S's will probably be moved to B Street.

well.. no... that would be an extremely hamfisted solution, not logical at all.

[coneracer30]

I think the easiest thing to do rules wise is make frs with the TRD parts run BS with the special editions. As much as I'd like to upgrade springs, it doesn't make sense to screw the brz's and upset the apple cart.

Unless.....the ND ends up in CS and is perceived as a possible over dog.

[tahdizzle]

Originally Posted by 7thgear

well.. no... that would be an extremely hamfisted solution, not logical at all.

Why would you asume that?

The only way the RS really differs from any other FR-S is the springs, sways, and aero.

So everyone adding everthing but the Aero from a RS wouldn't prompt the SEB to consider bumping a FR-S to B Street, but instead moving numerous cars around to accomodate the FR-S remaining in C Street?

Edit:
Or the other option of maintaining the status quo, and essentially allowing a RS in C-Street.

[TrqlessWonder]

This is street class autocross. Logic is a far from guaranteed.

[renfield90]

Originally Posted by coneracer30

Watching this with interest. Not sure if I should be excited or not. I don't really expect it to totally transform the car into an overdog. I would probably only do the springs. I don't generally like big rear bars without a proper limited slip dif.

I feel you. I intend to test with OEM and TRD rear bar.

If you have a stiff enough front bar (i.e. Hotchkis, which I have) you may be able to get away with more rear bar.

If you spend the money on these, make sure you're OK with this being a one year deal. Don't be surprised if the SEB takes your ball away next year.

[simpleisbest]

Originally Posted by coneracer30

I think the easiest thing to do rules wise is make frs with the TRD parts run BS with the special editions. As much as I'd like to upgrade springs, it doesn't make sense to screw the brz's and upset the apple cart.

Unless.....the ND ends up in CS and is perceived as a possible over dog.

That would work. Then all you would need is just to have 2 coilover sets ready and a stock rear bar, paint mark your toe settings, and BAMM! Be ready jump classes to farm contingency.

Its common practice for SP guys to jump to SM, depending on competition. Never heard of it in Stock classes, but there is always a first, right?

[renfield90]

Originally Posted by tahdizzle

Why would you asume that?

The only way the RS really differs from any other FR-S is the springs, sways, and aero.

So adding everyone adding everthing but the Aero from a RS wouldn't prompt the SEB to consider bumping a FR-S to B Street, but instead moving numerous cars around to accomodate the FR-S remaining in C Street?

Edit:
Or the other option of maintaining the status quo, and essentially allowing a RS in C-Street.

Originally Posted by TrqlessWonder

This is street class autocross. Logic is a far from guaranteed.

This. The problem is we have a rule saying "you can use any standard part" and a somewhat liberal definition for what a standard part is, but we don't have a rule saying explicitly "you can't change springs." If we were required to run the springs the car physically came with, this goes away.

The adage is "if it doesn't say you can, then you can't" but the definition of standard part lets you do a lot. There's good reasons for it being so open, but it might be worthwhile to explicitly pare this back.

[7thgear]

Originally Posted by tahdizzle

Why would you asume that?

because a flat move of the FRS to BS under the assumption that every FRS owner will go out of their way to purchase a TRD Spring and Swaybar kit is just wrong.


This not only punishes those that decide to do this by throwing them in a class they have no business in, but also those that didn't do this by throwing them along with them.


:/


bulletin prohibiting this weaseling is much more sensible.