How much would a new Supra cost ?

[ichitaka05]

Well I get your point bout how disappointment you are w LFA & pretty much no one can change that (unless you drove it).

...just one question bout the heavy LFA vs your JDM Supra. Can you add:
1. SRS Airbag
*Driver & Passenger's dual stage airbag
*Driver seat knee airbag
*Driver & Passenger's seat belt airbag
2. Restrain System
*3 point ELR & ALR
3. VDIM
4. VSC
5. TRAC/TRC
...and can you still state that your Supra weight still lighter than LFA? Cuz I think stock Lexus LFA weight vs adding all those safety in your light weight Supra, I think LFA weight lighter than your Supra. They state that LFA weight 1480~1580kg (3263~3484 lbs)... if they take off other junks and not doing any extensive diet (just light diet), I'm betting that LFA weight less than my car (2699.2 lbs). Cuz, I don't wanna get in your car and do same speed as LFA taking the corner and get into wreck. I'm damn sure that I wanna be in heavy weight stock LFA and get into the wreck than your "extensive" diet Supra.


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Originally Posted by vh_supra26

Well I don't think anyone is gonna pay $375k for a Toyota.

If I was rich enough, I totally would! & I'll damn make sure to make it into my way. LOL

[Matador]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Well I get your point bout how disappointment you are w LFA & pretty much no one can change that (unless you drove it).

...just one question bout the heavy LFA vs your JDM Supra. Can you add:
1. SRS Airbag
*Driver & Passenger's dual stage airbag
*Driver seat knee airbag
*Driver & Passenger's seat belt airbag
2. Restrain System
*3 point ELR & ALR
3. VDIM
4. VSC
5. TRAC/TRC
...and can you still state that your Supra weight still lighter than LFA? Cuz I think stock Lexus LFA weight vs adding all those safety in your light weight Supra, I think LFA weight lighter than your Supra. They state that LFA weight 1480~1580kg (3263~3484 lbs)... if they take off other junks and not doing any extensive diet (just light diet), I'm betting that LFA weight less than my car (2699.2 lbs). Cuz, I don't wanna get in your car and do same speed as LFA taking the corner and get into wreck. I'm damn sure that I wanna be in heavy weight stock LFA and get into the wreck than your "extensive" diet Supra.


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If I was rich enough, I totally would! & I'll damn make sure to make it into my way. LOL

Don't forget the 8-way power seats and 12+ speaker stereo.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Well I get your point bout how disappointment you are w LFA & pretty much no one can change that (unless you drove it).

...just one question bout the heavy LFA vs your JDM Supra. Can you add:
1. SRS Airbag
*Driver & Passenger's dual stage airbag
*Driver seat knee airbag
*Driver & Passenger's seat belt airbag
2. Restrain System
*3 point ELR & ALR
3. VDIM
4. VSC
5. TRAC/TRC
...and can you still state that your Supra weight still lighter than LFA? Cuz I think stock Lexus LFA weight vs adding all those safety in your light weight Supra, I think LFA weight lighter than your Supra. They state that LFA weight 1480~1580kg (3263~3484 lbs)... if they take off other junks and not doing any extensive diet (just light diet), I'm betting that LFA weight less than my car (2699.2 lbs). Cuz, I don't wanna get in your car and do same speed as LFA taking the corner and get into wreck. I'm damn sure that I wanna be in heavy weight stock LFA and get into the wreck than your "extensive" diet Supra.

Yes you are correct. That was part of the reason for the change from aluminum to carbon chassis, because they decided to add a lot more luxury and safety features they still needed to be reasonably light. If they had kept a more performance and less luxury design mandate the LFA could have been under 3000lbs easily, I believe.

As for safety, yes again. I would much rather be in the LFA in a crash. I haven't done anything to my car that will reduce safety, such as removing the bumper or door beams. But the entire back is stripped, heavy power seats were replaced with race buckets, 4 point harnesses and bar replaced all the seatbelt mechanisms. All the seat-related brackets in the back were removed, sound deadening chipped off, power-steering is gone, ABS (could be considered safety or performance depending) is gone, driveshaft is now aluminum, big steel hood is now carbon fiber, heavy cast wheels are now lightweight forged. It will be getting traction control in the future when I go standalone (adds no weight), and there is a rules-mandated cage coming, which takes back some of the benefits, but adds rigidity even if it means the targa never comes off after.

Caged Supra or stock LFA for safety? Still LFA, no-contest.

As for your Subaru, I don't understand how that company does it! My daily driver is a BD Legacy and it weighs about 3000 lbs. With AWD and an automatic transmission!

[Matador]

Originally Posted by vh_supra26

To bad this bad boy never made it pass concept.

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Amen. This car is all kinds of awesome. That being said, the GRMN hybrid sports car concept (V6 hybrid MR-S) is an extension on this car. I do think we will soon see a production version (mid engined awd hybrid), although it probably wont look like this

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

Don't forget the 8-way power seats and 12+ speaker stereo.

I think my Supra's driver seat was 8-way power too (don't know how they measure the 'ways' front-back, recline front-back, squeeze the sides in-out, push in the small of your back in-out?). Weighed about 70 lbs. Good-bye power, hello Recaro.

[Siriusly.Andrew]

they usually measure
1/2 - Forward / Backward
3/4 - recline and uncline? lol
5/6 - seat height up / down

then others would be
7/8 lumbar
9/10 headrest
11/12 --- I have no idea wtf else could even move in a seat? I guess the part that secures you in the seat if its a bucket seat??

[70NYD]

Originally Posted by Siriusly.Andrew

they usually measure
1/2 - Forward / Backward
3/4 - recline and uncline? lol
5/6 - seat height up / down

then others would be
7/8 lumbar
9/10 headrest
11/12 --- I have no idea wtf else could even move in a seat? I guess the part that secures you in the seat if its a bucket seat??

like side bolsters? (like bmw m5 that does it automatically when u go m?)

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Dimman

Yes you are correct. That was part of the reason for the change from aluminum to carbon chassis, because they decided to add a lot more luxury and safety features they still needed to be reasonably light. If they had kept a more performance and less luxury design mandate the LFA could have been under 3000lbs easily, I believe.

I don't think those features are "Luxury". I think em as "Requirement" for those damn fast car. This car can take 1g later (same as GT-R) & if it loose the rear wheels that keep this thing on ground, it better has all the gizmo to keep me alive. If LFA didn't have any of those things, I would even think bout driving LFA.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

I don't think those features are "Luxury". I think em as "Requirement" for those damn fast car. This car can take 1g later (same as GT-R) & if it loose the rear wheels that keep this thing on ground, it better has all the gizmo to keep me alive. If LFA didn't have any of those things, I would even think bout driving LFA.

I think it was more about the extra luxury, stereo, these power seats, etc...

Carbon tub by itself is exceptionally safe. When the F1 and Indy cars are literally exploding into millions of pieces on brutal impacts, that is the CF taking all the energy of the crash and absorbing it before it gets to the driver.

Keeping in mind that the Supra was 'this' car (Toyota's flagship) in its day, I've seen a test of the Mk4 hit 1g lateral. I think Car and Driver hit .97 (off the top of my head, don't quote me) on their skidpad. Stock car, stock tires (with 16 year old compound), 235/45R17 front, 255/40R17 rear, 34xx lbs.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Dimman

Carbon tub by itself is exceptionally safe. When the F1 and Indy cars are literally exploding into millions of pieces on brutal impacts, that is the CF taking all the energy of the crash and absorbing it before it gets to the driver.

I'm pretty sure it's true... but I sure haven't see any F1 racer surviving for sure. Ayrton Senna would live to state that fact...

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

I'm pretty sure it's true... but I sure haven't see any F1 racer surviving for sure. Ayrton Senna would live to state that fact...

I believe Senna was killed due to an improperly repaired or modified steering column, if I recall correctly (but I often don't). Look at current wrecks and look at survival rates. No car is death-proof, but understanding the carbon tub made them a whole lot more death-resistant. Compare Schumacher's crash in an impact absorbing carbon shell vs Earnhart's massive protective cage which doesn't absorb energy the same way. (Hans device too, but compare the level of the impacts.)

I wonder if all the airbags in the LFA will do is act as an indication of how much it will cost to repair or replace the car...

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Dimman

I believe Senna was killed due to an improperly repaired or modified steering column, if I recall correctly (but I often don't). Look at current wrecks and look at survival rates. No car is death-proof, but understanding the carbon tub made them a whole lot more death-resistant. Compare Schumacher's crash in an impact absorbing carbon shell vs Earnhart's massive protective cage which doesn't absorb energy the same way. (Hans device too, but compare the level of the impacts.)

I wonder if all the airbags in the LFA will do is act as an indication of how much it will cost to repair or replace the car...

Senna's crash. No one knows. I don't remember reading final report on Senna's crash

As for LFA, you can't repair the crashed LFA, you need to get new one. I don't remember which article I read, but they stated something like "LFA is like a condom. If you screw it once, you can't screw it again w same one. Need to get new one"

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Senna's crash. No one knows. I don't remember reading final report on Senna's crash

As for LFA, you can't repair the crashed LFA, you need to get new one. I don't remember which article I read, but they stated something like "LFA is like a condom. If you screw it once, you can't screw it again w same one. Need to get new one"

Italian court tried to prosecute some Williams engineer (I think, or the whole team?) over it, don't really remember the whole thing.

That's kind of what I mean with the airbags. One pops off, and it's like "Ding! Ding! Ding! That'll be $375000 to fix, please. Oh wait, you can't, they're all sold out! Well at least your not hurt."

Carbon absorbs the energy when it breaks (i bet a LOT of people wished condoms worked that way, heheh). And yeah, not repairable.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Dimman

Italian court tried to prosecute some Williams engineer (I think, or the whole team?) over it, don't really remember the whole thing.

That's kind of what I mean with the airbags. One pops off, and it's like "Ding! Ding! Ding! That'll be $375000 to fix, please. Oh wait, you can't, they're all sold out! Well at least your not hurt."

Carbon absorbs the energy when it breaks (i bet a LOT of people wished condoms worked that way, heheh). And yeah, not repairable.

IIRC, people that who owns LFA will get the replacement for trading the wreck LFA. Of course, bout same price tag.