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And heat soak can happen on either street or track with constant high boost. It mainly comes down to the size of the IC core in the manifold, and/or water flow or capacity. |
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And the built engine to support that amount of power...
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Innovate SC w/IC seems to be laying down 220-265Nm @ 2500 rpm depending on pulley & other mods. The Cosworth kit is making 265Nm at this point, from there the Cosworth kit, with an IC, looks very similar to the Innovate torque curve with a 70mm pulley & without an IC. I'm just not sure the price premium is justified. I'd have to see numbers from the same rollers. |
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What your saying is that adding the blower, tune and exhaust yields 80bhp (according to Cosworth) and somehow the smaller pulley and retune will add 20 more bhp than the initial supercharger install did over stock ???? 80bhp entire $10,000 FI package 100 more bhp just a pulley ???
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Also, intercooled Innovate kit (since Cosworth kit is also intercooled I figured I should compare ICd versions) makes a lot more than 220-260 nm at flywheel, it makes roughly 170-175 lbft of torque at the wheels at 2500 rpm as you can see in the above graph, so it should be something like (170/.82)x1.36 (since the drivetrain loss is about 18%) it should be something like 280-285 ntm torque at flywheel and more importantly it looks a lot smoother than that bumpy Cosworth Torque, of course it's too early to anticipate but this is what I see so far showing the flywheels numbers don't really tell us anything about the real world conditions, it just looks cool since the numbers are overly inflated
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I suspect they've not spun it any faster than they have to keep the standard bottom end alive I know there are plenty of folks putting more power into the standard bottom end but I suspect Cosworth are playing it safe on this one the point is (as you say) is there's plenty of headroom with this unit and as ever we're not going to believe power figures until some customer puts one on the rollers |
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I think yes you're right in saying its putting out a very similar amount of power to the innovate SC with its intercooler however the CW setup has a lot more to give and will very likely not have heat soak issues |
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It shouldn't take a genius to guess an already expensive product will hold more value at the end but that doesn't necessarily mean it's a smarter buy (from a financial standpoint).. simple stupid example, say you ended up spending $10k on a so called "premium" brand car part and at the end of the certain period you lost about %40 of its initial value, that's $4k of total loss which could be even more than the total cost of of another kit ..same can be said for German vs Japanese cars, in some cases some German cars can be cheaper than Japanese alternatives after 3-4 years of depreciation even if the initial value can be more than twice the Japanese car to begin with if I were to make an investment, aftermarket parts would would be the last place to look at for sure, especially for late adapters of an already "saturated market"
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Hum... no massively different. |
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they simply started the dyno pull from or after 2200 rpm on the Innovate dyno graph but way before than that on the CW dyno, take a look at this dyno graph and you'll see the difference in low end, I wouldn't really worry about the numbers since different dynos, different smoothing factors (and size differences of the graphs) but if you look at the whole picture it's pretty easy to see how flat is this one compared to the other
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