Epic Chris Harris GT-86 / FR-S Review! -- "This is the car I've been waiting for" - Page 11 - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

Matador · 02-09-2012, 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hanzo

I'm not talking about Chris Harris, I'm talking about all the props. people give to Toyota in this thread.

I take it you weren't around for when that happened in the opposite manner.

switchlanez · 02-09-2012, 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hanzo

This is from Subaru's press release in the US:
"A standard TORSEN® limited-slip differential helps the inside wheel maintain traction during hard cornering."

http://media.subaru.com/index.php?s=43&item=286

This is from Scion's press release in the US:
"The power is put to the pavement via a standard Torsen limited-slip differential."
http://pressroom.scion.com/releases/...conference.htm

Thx for the find.

suprachica79 · 02-09-2012, 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by switchlanez

Thx for the find.

+1. Thanks for clearing that up Hanzo

SUB-FT86 · 02-09-2012, 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hanzo

I'm not talking about Chris Harris, I'm talking about all the props. people give to Toyota in this thread.

It's like everybody forgot.

switchlanez · 02-09-2012, 03:49 PM

^I agree much of the grunt work was executed by Subaru but it was a collaboration spearheaded/catalyzed by Toyota (more specifically Toyoda). It's like when a big corporation like Apple defines a form factor for their new iPhone and a list of objectives/goals it should meet. Outsourced 3rd party engineers/developers/manufacturers from overseas execute a bulk of the work to achieve those goals but hardly get any credit for it - Apple does. Everyone deserves credit but my perception from what I've read about their collaborative actions is Subaru had to report their progress to Toyota (being the RWD expert) for approval as if Toyota were the boss overseeing this project. Ultimately, the collaboration benefits both parties in being low cost which is impossible if one party were missing so we should include both (it's just easier to credit the original overseer). 1 + 1 = 3

Also, Toyota did tune the suspension slightly differently than the BRZ (86 errs towards neutral/oversteer whereas BRZ errs towards neutral/understeer per Top Gear reviews) so some handling subtleties Chris talks about may not be true for the Subaru version.

Dillano609 · 02-09-2012, 04:00 PM

This review is wonderful, I'm so happy I pre-ordered the car. This car is gonna be worth it. As for the LSD, its standard in a Torsen configuration, at least for the FR-S regardless of transmission. Don't know what the bfd is on that is... People are probably gonna swap it out anyway

toyo_ · 02-09-2012, 04:08 PM

Jarama circuit

BlackRacer · 02-09-2012, 04:13 PM

Amazing video. Just amazing.

CarJacked-Aaron · 02-09-2012, 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lordtakuban

You might have misread my post

He pronounced it as "eighty-six" when he should have said "eight-six". Unless you mean that this new model is being called the "GT Eighty-Six"? I have not read or heard that anywhere, but you never know.

Sorry I had not seen the video, so if he pronounced it hachi-ju-roku he is pronouncing it incorrectly

Wiley · 02-09-2012, 05:28 PM

I'm in! I didn't see any issues with this vid. I even like the sound - wife won't.

brianbot5000 · 02-09-2012, 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wiley

I'm in! I didn't see any issues with this vid. I even like the sound - wife won't.

I like the sound too, but I wonder if they had a mic set up outside of the car, similar to the outside cameras that were rigged to film the front/passenger tire? Sometime tells me that could have been the exhaust note from outside...if it's inside the car, it sounds awesome - but if that was the case, I'd be confused as to why he says that's one thing that he found uninspiring (the sound).

Edit - watched again (well, for the 4th time) - exhaust sound is definitely from inside. Sounds great I think.

lordtakuban · 02-09-2012, 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CarJacked-Aaron

Sorry I had not seen the video, so if he pronounced it hachi-ju-roku he is pronouncing it incorrectly

hehe. yep.

The video is pretty cool. Kinda similar to a Top Gear review.

DanExtremeRacing · 02-09-2012, 10:42 PM

This car creates a sense of lust just looking at it, let alone drive it!

Alfie · 02-09-2012, 11:07 PM

Your signature clip is mesmerizing! LOL

I can watch those 10 seconds over and OVER! LOL

02-09-2012, 03:49 PM	#145
switchlanez Glorious BRZ Master Race Join Date: Apr 2011 Drives: Subaru Libird Location: Race Wars Posts: 3,645 Thanks: 1,050 Thanked 2,719 Times in 1,079 Posts Mentioned: 110 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	^I agree much of the grunt work was executed by Subaru but it was a collaboration spearheaded/catalyzed by Toyota (more specifically Toyoda). It's like when a big corporation like Apple defines a form factor for their new iPhone and a list of objectives/goals it should meet. Outsourced 3rd party engineers/developers/manufacturers from overseas execute a bulk of the work to achieve those goals but hardly get any credit for it - Apple does. Everyone deserves credit but my perception from what I've read about their collaborative actions is Subaru had to report their progress to Toyota (being the RWD expert) for approval as if Toyota were the boss overseeing this project. Ultimately, the collaboration benefits both parties in being low cost which is impossible if one party were missing so we should include both (it's just easier to credit the original overseer). 1 + 1 = 3 Also, Toyota did tune the suspension slightly differently than the BRZ (86 errs towards neutral/oversteer whereas BRZ errs towards neutral/understeer per Top Gear reviews) so some handling subtleties Chris talks about may not be true for the Subaru version. __________________ << BUILD THREAD >>

02-09-2012, 04:00 PM	#146
Dillano609 Teh O1d 5oul Join Date: Nov 2011 Drives: 97' Nissan Maxima SE, 04' BMW 330ci Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 91 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	This review is wonderful, I'm so happy I pre-ordered the car. This car is gonna be worth it. As for the LSD, its standard in a Torsen configuration, at least for the FR-S regardless of transmission. Don't know what the bfd is on that is... People are probably gonna swap it out anyway __________________ Proud owner of a 2004 BMW 330ci 6-speed

02-09-2012, 04:13 PM	#148
BlackRacer Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Drives: Celica GT-Four Location: Germany Posts: 39 Thanks: 1 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Amazing video. Just amazing. __________________

02-09-2012, 05:28 PM	#150
Wiley Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Drives: toyota prius, toyota tundra Location: New York Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	What a test drive! I'm in! I didn't see any issues with this vid. I even like the sound - wife won't.

02-09-2012, 11:07 PM	#154
Alfie Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Drives: Sheeveek Si Location: the GTA Posts: 147 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Your signature clip is mesmerizing! LOL I can watch those 10 seconds over and OVER! LOL __________________ ____"In essence they're identical, and identically excellent." Ollie Marriage TOP GEAR____

02-09-2012, 04:08 PM	#147
toyo_ Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Drives: 86 Location: Madrid/Spain Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Jarama circuit

02-09-2012, 10:42 PM	#153
DanExtremeRacing Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Drives: Chevrolet Lacetti Location: Italy Posts: 306 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	This car creates a sense of lust just looking at it, let alone drive it!

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