Americanized FR-S | Vortech Build Drama | Trailer

[TemeCal]

Originally Posted by DJCarbine

What install issues?

Also, to be fair, the innovate kit will also require an ECUTEK license/tune/cable if you decide to go that route, the vortech kit was ~4200 WITH a tune, you only need cable/license.

Innovate's kit comes with ECUTEK license/tune/cable...all for $3500. Check the current Innovate threads, and you'll see it's INCLUDED in the price.

I've been eyeing both kits, Innovate and Vortech. I actually enjoy Dezoris' videos, and am looking forward to his final video.

[Sonolin]

I meant for complete kit (from Vortech). Innovate also comes with a tune for $3500

EDIT: Also by install issues, I just meant, extraordinarily long install time for a supercharger + a few issues that have been popping up after install. Mostly due to the complexity of it I'm sure. Nothing against Vortech, I just like the look of Innovate better, seems like a better package to me.

[reyruiz191]

Originally Posted by Sonolin

I meant for complete kit (from Vortech). Innovate also comes with a tune for $3500

The $4675 price tag I listed also includes ecutek/cable/tune/license
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36168

[Sonolin]

Originally Posted by reyruiz191

The $4675 price tag I listed also includes ecutek/cable/tune/license
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36168

Which unfortunately doesn't include carb. If I'm going S/C that's definitely something I want.

Not only that, but for track use Innovate looks like a much better powerband.

I just see more downsides for Vortech

[reyruiz191]

Originally Posted by Sonolin

Which unfortunately doesn't include carb. If I'm going S/C that's definitely something I want.

Not only that, but for track use Innovate looks like a much better powerband.

I just see more downsides for Vortech

Well to each their own, the kit isn't for everyone and what may be seen as a downside to some may not even be a thought to others there are also plenty of other options on the market at the moment so you can go with what best suits your needs. But at this point I wouldn't say that the vortech is better than the innovate or vice versa because the innovate isn't even out yet so we don't know of any issues that may arise with that kit in the future or how hard that install may be or even the power output of the stage 1/stage 2 kit. We really have to wait and see until the innovate kit has been out as long as the vortech has been out now to be able to get a more proper comparison, but that me still be some time away depending on how far along innovate is on the development of their kit.

I'm anxious to see the final video of the OP's install to see what problems he ran into and to see his take on his car after the install of the kit.

[Foobar]

Originally Posted by RedLeader

So far, everyone is making comments about a snippet of an undoubtedly much longer video.

To be fair, some of us made comments not on the video but on someone's reaction to the video.

Originally Posted by Sonolin

I'm really excited for the video. Honestly though, the Vortech kit is looking worse and worse as time goes on. Innovate is going to sell for $3500 and looks much much easier to install, which is one of the main advantages to a supercharger (for me). That's >$2000 more than the lowest price I've seen the vortech go for...

Vortech does look good at higher PSI with e85, but other than that its looking less impressive as time goes on IMO. High price tag, install issues, and doesn't look like a lot of potential outside e85.

If you consider the cost of the ECUTek cable/license/tune, you're basically getting the product for $2500. Nothing beats the Innovate price, no doubt about that.

[Sportsguy83]

Originally Posted by Foobar

If you consider the cost of the ECUTek cable/license/tune, you're basically getting the product for $2500. Nothing beats the Innovate price, no doubt about that.

Yeah, I don't think anything will considering they are the only kit not dealing with an IC and IC piping...

[RedLeader]

Originally Posted by Sportsguy83

Yeah, I don't think anything will considering they are the only kit not dealing with an IC and IC piping...

At least for the non-intercooled version. The stage 2 (intercooled) kit has a heat exchanger with piping, water pump, and the intercooler plate. Preliminary pricing was only $1000 more than the preliminary pricing for the non-intercooled version. at a theoretical $4500, and supposedly capable of more torque and a better powerband for certain situations, even the stage 2 kit, with all its extras, looks to be a mighty good deal (assuming it ever comes out).

[Sportsguy83]

Originally Posted by RedLeader

At least for the non-intercooled version. The stage 2 (intercooled) kit has a heat exchanger with piping, water pump, and the intercooler plate. Preliminary pricing was only $1000 more than the preliminary pricing for the non-intercooled version. at a theoretical $4500, and supposedly capable of more torque and a better powerband for certain situations, even the stage 2 kit, with all its extras, looks to be a mighty good deal (assuming it ever comes out).

I know all of that. Besides, preliminary pricing at this point does not mean much. I'm not knocking on anyone here. Just pointing out one of the big reasons for such a great price.

I'm comparing stage 1 vs. stage 1.

[Dezoris]

Originally Posted by Sportsguy83

I know all of that. Besides, preliminary pricing at this point does not mean much. I'm not knocking on anyone here. Just pointing out one of the big reasons for such a great price.

I'm comparing stage 1 vs. stage 1.

Obviously I would like to see results from that kit but would not want to be buying their launch product without STEEP discount.

[Accurate Race Shop]

I like both kits they are hard to compare because they deliver power differently. One thing to add is as a former sprintex customer I was very impressed how easy they are to install and how durable they are even not running an inter cooler. There will be a ton of build vids but I doubt any as entertaining as this one.

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[Captain Insano]

Looking forward to final video. Thanks for posting.

[AZFA20]

Should be a fun video.

Basing the time and complications to install any kit is really an enormous variable when considering a forced induction option. Nobodies skills are the same and peoples access to the tools that make EVERYTHING faster are not always consistent. What might take me only half a day might take someone else 30+ hours to do a job. That doesn't make the install hard it just means someone else isn't as fast or not as skilled or lacks the resources to be faster. I think the only way to really make a decision on a system based on time would require a realistic evaluation of your own skill and capabilities. Even those who think they are capable or have an abundance of experience may take way longer than one would expect because again not everyone is the same. I don't personally see anything complicated with the Vortech, Innovate, or any of the forced induction systems out there for our cars but that's because nothing about them are foreign to me. I did get the feeling that the trailer for the video was insinuating a negative overall experience with Vortech BUT it is a trailer and trailers are suppose to catch your attention even if they may be a little misleading to do so. For all we know it has a happy ending and the initial install stress was worth it in the end to this particular end user. The Vortech kit makes this car fun that it for certain in my opinion. Let's not forget there are always those one-off issues that arise and that can stop even the best of enthusiasts in their tracks but I would caution making a decision based on a one-off circumstance (i.e. bent charge pipe). That is just the nature of the game....... something always comes up at some point or another whether it be this install or another.