About to go get the TRD Exhaust, CAI & Air Filter. What to expect?

[Sambo FRS]

Originally Posted by Sportsguy83

I think it's probable they will release down the line a SC more reachable to the average Joe than the one they already offer. I'm sorry I kind of derailed the thread, didn't mean to. Hope you enjoy your new mods!!

Hey no worries! Thanks for the input on the SC, I hope they do come out with a more realistic option soon, because I would be all over it

[Sonolin]

They have to still warranty you, especially if you're only installing the exhuast! A manufacturer can't just "void" your warranty unless they can prove the part is the reason the problem occurred.

My .02 - get an aftermarket exhaust setup, and either the TRD CAI (I've heard good gains from these, but expensive) or just a drop in filter for $100 and call it a day. If you have to take it in for warranty work the only thing they can reasonably deny is exhaust work.

EDIT: Also I recommend a Unichip if your seriously worried about warranty. You can just disconnect it when you take it in. Its ~$500 and gives you a good 10-15 hp gain.

[Sportsguy83]

Originally Posted by Re_Invention

It sounds like you're backtracking. If the person stated from the onset that they are only going to use TRD parts; why even bring up the comparison to other parts and insinuate they're foolish to "overpay" for a lesser performance part? They asked a specific question, yet you state nothing constructive, without any experience with the aforementioned TRD FR-S parts, and slight the person on top of that. That sure as hell isn't respectful.

"Hey guys, I really want to buy these red apples since I'm allergic to the green ones, anyone had em before?"
-"No, never had them, but the green apples are bigger and cheaper, a way better value."

You are mixing some stuff up, maybe I posted too quickly. I know what the TRD exhaust makes in power. When I said I didn't have first hand experience is on the LISTENING in person the tone of the exhaust. So yes, it is still true the TRD parts are overpriced and don't produce the same numbers as the top performers (in this case its not a big deal or difference, but for example when TRD has come out with SC kits, it is noticeable when compared to other options in the market, hence the reference to other parts not available in the FRS).

The respect part was respecting his decision to go with TRD even though he knows its overpriced because he values his warranty. No backtracking and my opinion still stands. OP was not butt hurt, you shouldn't be either....

But we are off topic and going in circles. Besides, my opinion is only worth 0.02 cents

[Scaldy]

Steering this thread back on to the road...

Originally Posted by Sambo FRS

Im hoping to see a bit of gain in power, and a big upgrade to the sound department. Am I far off base?

You are correct in your assumptions. The sound is great, not too loud and not too quiet. It doesn't drone and it doesn't wreck conversations, music or blue tooth phone calls. The idle feels noticeable smoother. The lower torque is small but it's a nice cherry on top.

Yes, it is expensive for what you get but if you are sweating the warranty than this is the way to go. I haven't heard anyone regret their purchase.

[Sambo FRS]

Originally Posted by Sonolin

They have to still warranty you, especially if you're only installing the exhuast! A manufacturer can't just "void" your warranty unless they can prove the part is the reason the problem occurred.

My .02 - get an aftermarket exhaust setup, and either the TRD CAI (I've heard good gains from these, but expensive) or just a drop in filter for $100 and call it a day. If you have to take it in for warranty work the only thing they can reasonably deny is exhaust work.

EDIT: Also I recommend a Unichip if your seriously worried about warranty. You can just disconnect it when you take it in. Its ~$500 and gives you a good 10-15 hp gain.

Seriously is that true about the Unichip?? Being not that much of a car guy myself (until recently of course) can anyone else verify if this is true, and is this something easy that someone like myself with limited knowledge and tools would be able to pull off?

[Sambo FRS]

Originally Posted by Scaldy

Steering this thread back on to the road...



You are correct in your assumptions. The sound is great, not too loud and not too quiet. It doesn't drone and it doesn't wreck conversations, music or blue tooth phone calls. The idle feels noticeable smoother. The lower torque is small but it's a nice cherry on top.

Yes, it is expensive for what you get but if you are sweating the warranty than this is the way to go. I haven't heard anyone regret their purchase.

Very reassuring

:happy0180:

[Sonolin]

Originally Posted by Sambo FRS

Seriously is that true about the Unichip?? Being not that much of a car guy myself (until recently of course) can anyone else verify if this is true, and is this something easy that someone like myself with limited knowledge and tools would be able to pull off?

Yea I've heard good things about it. There's a lot of misconceptions about unichip on the forums, but in general its pretty simple. On a stock car, you can just use the maps they give you for a nice power boost. On a modified car, from what I understand there's a library of tunes online that you can use for whatever power mods you have installed (so like exhaust + intake) and the map will give you more power for the specific mod.

Main downside is, if your not using a professional unichip tuner (there are some local) your most likely not going to squeeze out all the power out of your car. But it should give you a nice power boost and as long as you choose the right map the AFR's are all set relatively rich & safe.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25211

EDIT: I don't use unichip and don't know much about it but have just heard good things and think its pretty cool for the price point. I'd ask Unichip Jack if you have more questions.

[Mikem53]

Originally Posted by Sambo FRS

Of course its to be expected that the TRD parts are not going to be as good as some of the other aftermarket parts, but you have to be the first to tell me I'll have "less than regular performance"... That cant possibly be true?

And money is of no concern really when it comes to aftermarket parts, it's my warranty that I'd like to preserve and so the extra money Im shelling out for TRD seems well worth it imo. Money might not be tight for me, but I certainly still believe in keeping my assets protected, so basically its like having my cake and eating it to in regards to having a brand new car with some aftermarket mods.

Who says its not as good as other aftermarket parts? TRD knows how to develop and produce excellent performance parts. I think they know a thing or two about performance and engineering for toyota products. You have a system specifically designed to not drone, proper fitment, long life, OEM quality... One made excusively for this car.. Not a hack like so many others I've seen available. You can also rest assured that if u ever get tired of it, you can resell it and get most of your money back.
Just because some other fart can makes more noise and has blue tips and whales like a scalded ape.. Doesn't mean it performs any better or is worth living with the noise and drone for .5 HP more you cant feel. Most of the other systems lose low end torque for a tad more HP on top so they can look cool with big pipes.. This car NEEDS more low end.. Not more on top.
So don't think you had to settle for a mediocre setup because some think its too pricey and sedate.. You did good..

[Alaskan]

Originally Posted by Mikem53

Who says its not as good as other aftermarket parts? TRD knows how to develop and produce excellent performance parts. I think they know a thing or two about performance and engineering for toyota products. You have a system specifically designed to not drone, proper fitment, long life, OEM quality... One made excusively for this car.. Not a hack like so many others I've seen available. You can also rest assured that if u ever get tired of it, you can resell it and get most of your money back.
Just because some other fart can makes more noise and has blue tips and whales like a scalded ape.. Doesn't mean it performs any better or is worth living with the noise and drone for .5 HP more you cant feel. Most of the other systems lose low end torque for a tad more HP on top so they can look cool with big pipes.. This car NEEDS more low end.. Not more on top.
So don't think you had to settle for a mediocre setup because some think its too pricey and sedate.. You did good..

TRD Exhaust dyno - Unknown




I can keep going...

[Mikem53]

Originally Posted by Alaskan

I can keep going...

You can keep going if you like.. Cause you haven't shown me anything really..
My post addressed , quality, fitment, droning, etc.. Dyno tests from aftermarket manufacturers who are trying to sell you something usually don't mean much.
And it's not all about power.. As mentioned above. Different dynos, temps, variables, mods.. Etc.. Not to mention losing low end for top..
I would do the exhaust mainly for sound and looks.. Cause there isn't much to go after as the stock system (catback) isn't that restrictive.. And I don't want to lose any bottom end tq.

[Sonolin]

Originally Posted by Mikem53

You can keep going if you like.. Cause you haven't shown me anything really..
My post addressed , quality, fitment, droning, etc.. Dyno tests from aftermarket manufacturers who are trying to sell you something usually don't mean much.
And it's not all about power.. As mentioned above. Different dynos, temps, variables, mods.. Etc.. Not to mention losing low end for top..
I would do the exhaust mainly for sound and looks.. Cause there isn't much to go after as the stock system (catback) isn't that restrictive.. And I don't want to lose any bottom end tq.

Not sure what your getting at here, but its pretty obvious that nameless & perrin both make much more HP than the TRD equivalent. Perrin is known for their accurate dyno readings, and Nameless has been proven correct here on the forums (their OP/DP combo). TRD hasn't really (except their CAI which did make a bit of power).

If your looking for looks and TRD stickers, that's fine, but if your talking quality & power for the price, there are much better aftermarket choices.

Also, we're talking delta gains here on the same dyno & conditions. I don't understand your point about "different dyno different conditions" as that's not really valid.

The OP asked how noticeable the power difference will be after installing TRD parts. From what dynos I've seen posted of the TRD stuff, you really won't notice much difference (if at all), and that's why Alaskan posted dynos to show that.

[Mikem53]

Originally Posted by Sonolin

Not sure what your getting at here, but its pretty obvious that nameless & perrin both make much more HP than the TRD equivalent. Perrin is known for their accurate dyno readings, and Nameless has been proven correct here on the forums (their OP/DP combo). TRD hasn't really (except their CAI which did make a bit of power).

If your looking for looks and TRD stickers, that's fine, but if your talking quality & power for the price, there are much better aftermarket choices.

Also, we're talking delta gains here on the same dyno & conditions. I don't understand your point about "different dyno different conditions" as that's not really valid.

The OP asked how noticeable the power difference will be after installing TRD parts. From what dynos I've seen posted of the TRD stuff, you really won't notice much difference (if at all), and that's why Alaskan posted dynos to show that.

I was commenting on the negative comments about TRD in general. I was pointing out that there is more to it than just power, such as quality, sound, drone, fitment.. and addressing the OPs point about sound. telling him he spent his money on more than just 2.5HP
How come you can have same mods to same cars with similar mileage dyno on the same dyno and all achieve different results? Thats what Im saying. this arguement has and will go on forever. and marketing for a company that sells its products usually pull off better numbers than most..
I seen some controlled testing results that seem plausible.. yet even the same car, same day, temps, etc will run different numbers with no changes. and when your comapring 2.5 to 4 or 6 HP.. could be anything..

[brichard0625]

Originally Posted by Sonolin

Not sure what your getting at here, but its pretty obvious that nameless & perrin both make much more HP than the TRD equivalent. Perrin is known for their accurate dyno readings, and Nameless has been proven correct here on the forums (their OP/DP combo). TRD hasn't really (except their CAI which did make a bit of power).

If your looking for looks and TRD stickers, that's fine, but if your talking quality & power for the price, there are much better aftermarket choices.

Also, we're talking delta gains here on the same dyno & conditions. I don't understand your point about "different dyno different conditions" as that's not really valid.

The OP asked how noticeable the power difference will be after installing TRD parts. From what dynos I've seen posted of the TRD stuff, you really won't notice much difference (if at all), and that's why Alaskan posted dynos to show that.

^x2 Trd parts are known to give mediocre results and most parts are rebadged products so your just paying for the sticker. Just a word of advice...just because you purchased a TRD part does not mean it does not void warranty..Its only if you let toyota install the part. Had a issue on my tc with a trd intake and they gave me a hard time because they did not install it. Personally i wouldn't spend my money on trd part..but everyone has their preference

[Re_Invention]

Originally Posted by Sportsguy83

You are mixing some stuff up, maybe I posted too quickly. I know what the TRD exhaust makes in power. When I said I didn't have first hand experience is on the LISTENING in person the tone of the exhaust. So yes, it is still true the TRD parts are overpriced and don't produce the same numbers as the top performers (in this case its not a big deal or difference, but for example when TRD has come out with SC kits, it is noticeable when compared to other options in the market, hence the reference to other parts not available in the FRS).

The respect part was respecting his decision to go with TRD even though he knows its overpriced because he values his warranty. No backtracking and my opinion still stands. OP was not butt hurt, you shouldn't be either....

But we are off topic and going in circles. Besides, my opinion is only worth 0.02 cents

No one's butt hurt, no worries Just calling out your BS as you are mine. Bless 'Merica and the freedom to do so.

Originally Posted by brichard0625

^x2 Trd parts are known to give mediocre results and most parts are rebadged products so your just paying for the sticker. Just a word of advice...just because you purchased a TRD part does not mean it does not void warranty..Its only if you let toyota install the part. Had a issue on my tc with a trd intake and they gave me a hard time because they did not install it. Personally i wouldn't spend my money on trd part..but everyone has their preference

Are either parts in consideration (FR-S CAI and Catback) re-badges? I'm genuinely curious because I haven't seen evidence of that, so far.