What do you foresee for future FR-S models?

[TRD-X]

How about a hatchback option that stays within the stock bodylines.

The fifth generation AE86 could be purchased as a hatchback or coupe. I had a 1985 Corolla GTS hatchback and would trade mine in if there was a hatchback offered for sale.

[Liquidsnake]

Originally Posted by Saber_TRD

I see Scion folding back into Toyota, making the FR-S become the Toyota GT-86 and the introduction of the trim levels and options for future models.

Well, in my dreams anyway. Toyota would probably axe the car altogether when Scion folds, with our luck.

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooo

[tomato86]

-New head unit
-Better headlights (JDM please?)
-Different wheel design possibly, but not a huge deal
-Possibly activating the bumper light like the GT86?
-Armrest
-Like a 5hp bump via "redesigned intake/exhaust" like the GT-R got from year to year
-Retuned suspension

That's all I realistically see. I think the interior materials could use some improving as far as scuffing goes. The speaker system needs an upgrade.

[13 FR-S Veteran]

Moon Roof Please!

[Whitigir]

Big demand for Frs-brz to go forced induction. If they are not doing it, they will loose it. I am seeing many wanting to dip in the Light weight affordable fun machine, which is inspired by FRS.

Nissan Sylvia may come back
GMC got dodge Dart, it sucks, but they may release whole new model
Ford Fiesta turbo
Hyundai Veloster Turbo
Audi TT

Etc....even though they are not exactly Cheap+reliable just yet vs FRS with good looking, and reliability. There is no guarantee of them not doing so to take the pie.

The way i see it, Toyota and Subaru contracted until 2015 for no Forced Induction, but they may void that and add in the FI

Brz already made a turboed BRZ concept for racing at 450hp. I see no reason why they can not make it street legal 300 hp.

You can argue the Brz may canibalize their Imprezza STI, but they will not. Both are too different.

BRZ = light weight, and balance, RWD (good in summer, not snow, good for easy drifting)

STI = heavier, bulkier, powerful, sedan 4 doors, AWD (good in all weather, not for drifting, family oriented Dad and spirited mom)

The majority will not put kid in the FRS.

Before you know it, there will even be someone who buy STI for family needs, then FRS turbo for fun weekends.

In the end, if there is demand, there will be supply. I am sure it wont come out for another 2 years, so enjoy your NA for now, then trade in later

[sierra]

If they bring out a turbo version it will almost certainly be a smaller capacity, as is the trend. Maybe a 1.6L
I would prefer they stick with this engine and simply upgrade the exhaust as Nameless etc have, plus tweak the ECU. That will cure the torque dip and add to the top end rush.

A targa top would be a great option and let's have 245/40-17 as stock so it looks the part from the showroom.

[Justin.b]

As people have mentioned before, the numbers may not be there for a turbo version. If it's an option, you're looking at a very small number of cars that would need to cover the development and EPA certification costs for the engine. I also don't think they can piggyback the EPA testing with the turbo version from another Subaru since the emissions equipment in the exhausts will need to be different on the BRZ/FR-S.

I also don't think they can do a sunroof / moon roof / targa without adding the reinforcements (and weight) that would go with making a convertible version. If I remember right, they kind of pressed the limits to get the weight down on this car, and that roof is important to the structural rigidity. If you add any flex to it without reinforcing other areas (door sills, a-pillar), you will notice the difference. When the xB first came out there was a dealer-installed option for a webasto sliding ragtop. They had to recall all the xB's with that installed and replace them because cutting the roof made the cars dangerous. Adding the required bracing to this car, I assume, would end up with a very expensive sunroof or targa option.

The #1 thing I would like to see is the correction of the torque dip.

-Justin

[WolfpackS2k]

Everyone asking for a targa top, hatchback, moonroof, larger tires, etc is making my head spin. Engineers struggled to design a lightweight chassis that handles well. And you want them to undo it for some luxury features?

245 section width tires? What in the world does a 200 hp 2700 lb car need tires that large far? The car won't handle any better I can tell you that. It'll have more unsprung weight and the wider tires will hurt aerodynamics. All that for the sake of a "cooler" look. No thanks.

People talking about the cost/benefit not being there for a turbo model are being unreasonable I think. You're acting like it's the automotive equivalent of climbing Mt. Everest here. Subaru already makes 2-3 turbo engines of similar design and displacement. Popping one under the hood would not be that difficult. And sales would be fine. Do you realize how few Nissan 370Zs are sold per year? Even if the Turbo BRZ sales weren't high they should still outsell that car. The demand (and aftermarket actions) are too great to be ignored.

[Justin.b]

A turbo would raise the price high enough that a 135, 370z and a few other cars become relevant competitors. And when you compare the equipment lists the twins are going to come up short. I think it's more important for them to stay closer to the present price point.

I also don't know what their deal with Toyota is. I'm assuming the subaru turbo versions of this motor will not use Toyota's injection system. If the agreement is that all the BRZ / FR-S's will use the Toyota injection then that's either a deal-breaker or could be a decent additional hassle to make (and epa-certify) a turbo motor for the one model.

The EPA process is reportedly a major pain in the ass. It's one of the main reasons we don't see many motor options here in the states compared to places like Europe.

-Justin

[Umairk89]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

Everyone asking for a targa top, hatchback, moonroof, larger tires, etc is making my head spin. Engineers struggled to design a lightweight chassis that handles well. And you want them to undo it for some luxury features?

245 section width tires? What in the world does a 200 hp 2700 lb car need tires that large far? The car won't handle any better I can tell you that. It'll have more unsprung weight and the wider tires will hurt aerodynamics. All that for the sake of a "cooler" look. No thanks.

People talking about the cost/benefit not being there for a turbo model are being unreasonable I think. You're acting like it's the automotive equivalent of climbing Mt. Everest here. Subaru already makes 2-3 turbo engines of similar design and displacement. Popping one under the hood would not be that difficult. And sales would be fine. Do you realize how few Nissan 370Zs are sold per year? Even if the Turbo BRZ sales weren't high they should still outsell that car. The demand (and aftermarket actions) are too great to be ignored.

I completly agree with u but if they do decide to put a turbo the tires would need to be a little bigger.. I think 245 tires would suit the car better and more tire means more grip... I think first thing is turbo since everyone who buys this car thinks about turbo. It will help toyota subaru, instead of buying aftermarket u buy the tuned version stock - toyota makez more money we have more power everyones happy

[BlaineWasHere]

If HIDs were available as an option I would have ordered my car that way, other than that I am cool with what my car has, including sans fog lights.

[WolfpackS2k]

A turbo would raise the price high enough that a 135, 370z and a few other cars become relevant competitors. And when you compare the equipment lists the twins are going to come up short. I think it's more important for them to stay closer to the present price point.

Or they could just market it at a lower price point and pass on all the BS interior options/gizmos that enthusiasts don't give a rat's ass about There's no unwritten rule that says if you increase horsepower you have to add luxury features. F that.

They need to go the "Evo RS" direction if you ask me. I have the Limited (b/c that's what was available at the time) but I would trade:

-leather/alcantara seats
-Navigation/touch screen audio
-keyless entry
-LED DRLs
-headed seats
-dual automatic climate control (which I barely use)

all in a heart beat for 50 more horsepower.

[Whitigir]

I am sure the Turbo version will be considerably 5-10k more with options an all. But again, you can not really compare it to a 370z at all.

370z look different
weighted different
different torque curve vs HP
2 seaters vs 4 seaters
Toyota quality vs Nissan

And whatever else there may be

If there was a turbo version, I would be very happy to jump into it.

[Justin.b]

Originally Posted by Whitigir

I am sure the Turbo version will be considerably 5-10k more with options an all. But again, you can not really compare it to a 370z at all.

370z look different
weighted different
different torque curve vs HP
2 seaters vs 4 seaters
Toyota quality vs Nissan

And whatever else there may be

If there was a turbo version, I would be very happy to jump into it.

Of course you can compare it - and shoppers WILL compare it. If you're planning on more HP to sell the turbo FR-S, why wouldn't it make more sense that the shopper looking for more HP would pass on the ~250hp FR-S for a 330hp 370z that may even cost less?

Are they supposed to somehow find buyers who are interested only in cars having more than 220hp but less than 300?

-Justin