Post your track alignment

[ayau]

What kind of alignment is everyone running for the track? Also, if you're lowered, how much did you drop in ride height?

[suaveflooder]

subn' Great idea :happy0180:

[celica73]

I fail to see how this will be of much use, there are too many other variables, but here goes:

-2.3 degrees camber in front, 1/8" total toe out.
-1? degree (never checked, stock) camber in back, 0 toe.

Stock BRZ springs and shocks, Strano front bar. 245/40-17 Star specs, on 8" wide wheels, usually around 34 PSI (hot).

[smbstyle]

after doing some research, these are the specs that I'm having the car taken to next week when I get my alignment. Car will be 40% street / 60% track duty. Stock suspension, wheels and tires for now.


FRONT:
Camber: -2.0*
Caster: 7.0*
Toe: 0.0*

REAR:
Camber: -1.5*
Toe: 0.10* each side (0.20 total)

[ayau]

Originally Posted by celica73

I fail to see how this will be of much use, there are too many other variables, but here goes:

-2.3 degrees camber in front, 1/8" total toe out.
-1? degree (never checked, stock) camber in back, 0 toe.

Stock BRZ springs and shocks, Strano front bar. 245/40-17 Star specs, on 8" wide wheels, usually around 34 PSI (hot).

It's just to get a rough idea. Obviously track conditions and driver preference will greatly vary.

[7thgear]

Originally Posted by ayau

It's just to get a rough idea. Obviously track conditions and driver preference will greatly vary.

a rough idea of what?

there are many resources available on the topic of alignment. You would then use this knowledge to align your car based on your needs and revise accordingly.

Simply reading the alignment of others means nothing because you don't know:

a) whether they know anything about alignment or just let a shop do the work. Nothing's worse than immitating or even considering information provided by people who are simply wrong

b) whether they are a good driver. Anyone driving a car at 8/10ths thinking they are giving their best is going to feel like their car "handles awesome," not realizing that had they actually pushed it to its limits they would discover all manner of quirky problems.

c) whether these people ever thoroughly experimented with their alignments, or just racked in max camber and called it a day for the last 10 years.

for this thread to be worth anything, each respondent would have to write a sizable essay, explaining their tuning strategy, their race history, the pros and cons of their setup, and so forth.

in fact, if you read the forums enough (and i know that you do), you should be fully aware that there are already a handful of really great drivers who make it their business to test and race cars.

[smbstyle]

Originally Posted by 7thgear

a rough idea of what?

there are many resources available on the topic of alignment. You would then use this knowledge to align your car based on your needs and revise accordingly.

Simply reading the alignment of others means nothing because you don't know:

a) whether they know anything about alignment or just let a shop do the work. Nothing's worse than immitating or even considering information provided by people who are simply wrong

b) whether they are a good driver. Anyone driving a car at 8/10ths thinking they are giving their best is going to feel like their car "handles awesome," not realizing that had they actually pushed it to its limits they would discover all manner of quirky problems.

c) whether these people ever thoroughly experimented with their alignments, or just racked in max camber and called it a day for the last 10 years.

for this thread to be worth anything, each respondent would have to write a sizable essay, explaining their tuning strategy, their race history, the pros and cons of their setup, and so forth.

in fact, if you read the forums enough (and i know that you do), you should be fully aware that there are already a handful of really great drivers who make it their business to test and race cars.

I agree with this, to a point, but the man needs to start somewhere. Not saying to take anyones alignment specs and take it as the end-all-be-all alignment, but bring in a little camber in the front and rear, toe in a little in the rear, and see how it does. It's a start.

[7thgear]

Originally Posted by smbstyle

I agree with this, to a point, but the man needs to start somewhere .

published text and various treatsies of knowledgable men and women is a good place to start

Originally Posted by smbstyle

little camber in the front and rear, toe in a little in the rear, and see how it does. It's a start.

it's an inefficient and expensive way to start. Where are you gonna test your suspension settings? Do you have the tools at home to do your own alignment properly? Strings work but lasers are better, gnomesane.

The great achievement of our generation is the ability to quickly and easily access the vast knowledge accumulated since the dawn of time, why not tap into that?


maybe it's just me, but i prefer to know how/why something works, the end result is only important once you're out there driving.

[smbstyle]

Originally Posted by 7thgear

published text and various treatsies of knowledgable men and women is a good place to start

Agreed

[ayau]

Originally Posted by 7thgear

a rough idea of what?

there are many resources available on the topic of alignment. You would then use this knowledge to align your car based on your needs and revise accordingly.

Simply reading the alignment of others means nothing because you don't know:

a) whether they know anything about alignment or just let a shop do the work. Nothing's worse than immitating or even considering information provided by people who are simply wrong

b) whether they are a good driver. Anyone driving a car at 8/10ths thinking they are giving their best is going to feel like their car "handles awesome," not realizing that had they actually pushed it to its limits they would discover all manner of quirky problems.

c) whether these people ever thoroughly experimented with their alignments, or just racked in max camber and called it a day for the last 10 years.

for this thread to be worth anything, each respondent would have to write a sizable essay, explaining their tuning strategy, their race history, the pros and cons of their setup, and so forth.

in fact, if you read the forums enough (and i know that you do), you should be fully aware that there are already a handful of really great drivers who make it their business to test and race cars.

I agree with your points. Just a couple of things that I'd like to add.

1. Most people here don't race for a living, and tracking/autocrossing is purely a hobby. I'm not sure if it would be reasonable to dedicate one's time/money/resource to have something thoroughly tested. I think we both know the credible drivers on this forum.

2. Take everything that's published on forums with a grain of salt. Like you said, we don't know anyone's background and their credibility. It's our responsibility to do our own research and to differentiate between the right/wrong.

3. This thread isn't meant to be all end all of track alignments, it's purely just a discussion thread to see what works best for others.

[GTM_Challenge]

Front:

Camber -3.0
Caster - ?
Toe - 0.0

Rear:

Camber -2.6
Toe - 0.0

Lowered -1.75" front, -1.5" rear on KW Clubsports

17x9 +38 GramLights 57DR with 255/40/17 Bridgestone RE-11A and
17x7.5 Buddy Club wheels with 225/40/17 Hoosier A6

[Dezoris]

Stock Suspension

Changes:
Strano Front Sway Bar
Camber Correction Bolts Front

Purpose:
90% Street Driving
CS/RTR Autox/track days

Tires:
225/45/17 Hankook RS3

Alignment:

Front Left
Camber: -1.5
Toe: -0.05 (Toe Out)
Caster 5.7

Front Right
Camber: -1.5
Toe: -0.05 (Toe Out)
Caster 5.7

Rear Left
Camber: -1.3
Toe: 0.08 (Toe In)

Rear Right
Camber: -1.3
Toe: 0.08 (Toe In)

[Dezoris]

Originally Posted by ayau

I agree with your points. Just a couple of things that I'd like to add.

1. Most people here don't race for a living, and tracking/autocrossing is purely a hobby. I'm not sure if it would be reasonable to dedicate one's time/money/resource to have something thoroughly tested. I think we both know the credible drivers on this forum.

2. Take everything that's published on forums with a grain of salt. Like you said, we don't know anyone's background and their credibility. It's our responsibility to do our own research and to differentiate between the right/wrong.

3. This thread isn't meant to be all end all of track alignments, it's purely just a discussion thread to see what works best for others.

The fact that we don't have a real alignment comparison thread is a shame. It is extremely helpful to see what people are running and how they are driving the car. It's a good thread idea.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by 7thgear

a rough idea of what?

there are many resources available on the topic of alignment. You would then use this knowledge to align your car based on your needs and revise accordingly.

Simply reading the alignment of others means nothing because you don't know:

a) whether they know anything about alignment or just let a shop do the work. Nothing's worse than immitating or even considering information provided by people who are simply wrong

b) whether they are a good driver. Anyone driving a car at 8/10ths thinking they are giving their best is going to feel like their car "handles awesome," not realizing that had they actually pushed it to its limits they would discover all manner of quirky problems.

c) whether these people ever thoroughly experimented with their alignments, or just racked in max camber and called it a day for the last 10 years.

for this thread to be worth anything, each respondent would have to write a sizable essay, explaining their tuning strategy, their race history, the pros and cons of their setup, and so forth.

in fact, if you read the forums enough (and i know that you do), you should be fully aware that there are already a handful of really great drivers who make it their business to test and race cars.

Guilty.