Scion FR-S OFFICIALLY REVEALED (Details, Specs + Live and Press Photos)

[CoryUyede]

I really Hope those red shoulder seat accents arent standard..NOT a fan.

[spin9k]

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

My Conclusion

BRZ owners/followers care about the interior way to much to make up the majority at the track based on the fact that they DO care about dual climate control, navi, heated seats...etc. Cause who in their right mind is buying a freaking loaded car as their track car? "Oh yeah, I'm at the track so I need to keep my ass warm, and have my Navi tell me which turn is coming up next at the track". No Body. No, you buy a bare bones car to be your track car. No Body at the AutoX I've ever seen was taking their fully loaded luxury version of said car out. And if it did come with that stuff...it's now all disappeared cause they got serious and started gutting the car like a real enthusiast would.

You mention auto-x; Are you basing your observations on your experience going to a parking lot and autocrossing a bunch of dudes, or going to a race track and doing HPDEs or actual racing, or all three? Cause I think it has to be auto-x only from the sounds of it, either that or your track buds don't like warm butts while getting to the track lol. Here abouts, and disregarding trailer queens, which is a whole nuther thing, peps buy the car they want, amenities to suit, then juice them up and track them. For example, most BMWs (just to pick one common brand) come with quite a few interior goodies, and many get tracked like that. I don't see BRZ / FR-S owners being that different, unless $$$ is the problem. Certainly the goodies themselves weigh next to nothing. Nothing that's gonna make your track experience so different I'd say. And BTW, when I say tracked w/my observations, I'm speaking of on a race track

[TheJuggernaut]

The arguments justifying the lack of creature comfort options in the FR-S due to it being a track car are asinine. I've been doing track days since 2001 and even the most hardcore track psychos I know, incl one who lives a few minutes from the track - we say he lives at the track - do maybe a dozen track days a year. This will be nowhere NEAR what any of you will do. So that's what, 12-24 days of track driving out of 365 (including quite a few of those spent on winter tires for some of us)? So this is NOT a track car. This is a road car that has some extremely sparse track duty.

I have a dedicated track car and sure, it has no AC, heater, has fixed seats, welded sunroof, rollcage, no interior, a turning circle which makes a normal 3 pt turn into 8 due to the size of tires and minimal exhaust with no cats. It doesn't and legally can't spend any time in traffic, so when it's not being beaten on, it's being worked on. If I complained about lack of climate control, heated seats or navigation (or even presence of a stereo) in this car, I would entertain any and all claims of my stupidity.

But spare me any fuhraze pretensions for a brand new, street legal Toyota. It's not a racecar. So the only legitimate reason I could accept for the FR-S having a castrated option sheet, is Toyota is telling me that Scions are for poor people so no one will ever buy one over say, 25k.

I'm holding out hope that they're simply choosing to show a cheaper version of the FR-S (one they expect to sell more of) and in reality, it will be available with all of the same options. But if not, they've lost one more client to the BRZ (same pocket in the end I guess, but I still feel sorry for Scion dealers). And it's got nothing to do with me "not getting what this car is really all about". Quite the contrary.

[Deslock]

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

-Comments about the FR-S interior being inadequate and how people want to switch to BRZ due to the better interior indicates that BRZ owners by and large will be people who care about amenities from the factory

IDGAF about most extra amenities (and would rather not have navigation come standard).

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

BRZ owners/followers care about the interior way to much to make up the majority at the track based on the fact that they DO care about dual climate control, navi, heated seats...etc. Cause who in their right mind is buying a freaking loaded car as their track car? "Oh yeah, I'm at the track so I need to keep my ass warm, and have my Navi tell me which turn is coming up next at the track". No Body. No, you buy a bare bones car to be your track car. No Body at the AutoX I've ever seen was taking their fully loaded luxury version of said car out. And if it did come with that stuff...it's now all disappeared cause they got serious and started gutting the car like a real enthusiast would.

And I find it funny that the BRZ fans are wanting the FR-S front end more than FR-S owners are wanting the BRZ's headlights. They recognize that the FR-S is cosmetically more appealing, but they turn to the Subaru because they value the interior standard features more.

I prefer the BRZ's front-end, though I think the Scion hits the mark best:

Originally Posted by Deslock

Though the Scion's interior isn't pretty, it ditches all the non-essential amenities and will be significantly cheaper and possibly a bit lighter.

So for less money, the Scion will offer the same (if not slightly better) driving dynamics, which means the FR-S will achieve the FT86's initial goal better than the GT86 and BRZ.

Many complained when they announced it would be a Scion, but to me it was good news since that means a cheaper MSRP (and will hopefully force Subaru to keep theirs reasonable as well). Scion = rebranded Toyota, so I have no reservations buying one. However, I like my local Subaru dealer and I'm inclined to give them my business.

[Ogawa07]

I like it.
I like its concept.

I just cant wait to get FT-86, 21 century revival of AE86!

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[Dragonitti]

Originally Posted by spin9k

You mention auto-x; Are you basing your observations on your experience going to a parking lot and autocrossing a bunch of dudes, or going to a race track and doing HPDEs or actual racing, or all three? Cause I think it has to be auto-x only from the sounds of it, either that or your track buds don't like warm butts while getting to the track lol. Here abouts, and disregarding trailer queens, which is a whole nuther thing, peps buy the car they want, amenities to suit, then juice them up and track them. For example, most BMWs (just to pick one common brand) come with quite a few interior goodies, and many get tracked like that. I don't see BRZ / FR-S owners being that different, unless $$$ is the problem. Certainly the goodies themselves weigh next to nothing. Nothing that's gonna make your track experience so different I'd say. And BTW, when I say tracked w/my observations, I'm speaking of on a race track

I do all three, and have been for about 4yrs now.

Another conclusion I'mgoing to draw is that i bet there will be more FR-S owners willing to modify their FR-S than there will be BRZ owners.

Originally Posted by TheJuggernaut

The arguments justifying the lack of creature comfort options in the FR-S due to it being a track car are asinine. I've been doing track days since 2001 and even the most hardcore track psychos I know, incl one who lives a few minutes from the track - we say he lives at the track - do maybe a dozen track days a year. This will be nowhere NEAR what any of you will do.

Noob, first time post, thinking there are no hardcore track people on this site. You think your the only person to run track around here? Get real dude.

The second mistake you made is thinking that I was only talking about this site. The sale of the BRZ and FR-S is not limited to this site you know...lol

[spin9k]

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

I do all three, and have been for about 4yrs now.

Another conclusion I'mgoing to draw is that i bet there will be more FR-S owners willing to modify their FR-S than there will be BRZ owners.

You must have just landed on this planet from the other one where subie owners leave there cars stock.

[TheJuggernaut]

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

You think your the only person to run track around here?

Nope.

EDIT: I don't even consider myself as being especially prolific at it. As opposed to some of my friends, one of which has bought a chalet at Spa just so he could have a place to stay when he's there beating on his 911 GT3 (which, incidentally, has nav, climate control etc)

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

The second mistake you made is thinking that I was only talking about this site.

I know you may think you're the center of the universe but I wasn't talking to you. Rather it was a general post to anyone attacking people's displeasure with Scion not offering all of the options available with the other two versions.

[Hachiroku]

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

Noob, first time post, thinking there are no hardcore track people on this site. You think your the only person to run track around here? Get real dude.

The second mistake you made is thinking that I was only talking about this site. The sale of the BRZ and FR-S is not limited to this site you know...lol

This kind of attitude and post will not be tolerated. I expect every single member here to treat another member with respect, regardless of post count, join date, etc.

It's fine to disagree and debate, but do it respectfully, or risk warnings/infractions/ban.

[madfast]

Originally Posted by lilcrzytimmy

It Seems like the scion version will get the white tach according to this pic of the LA reveal.




this is the US-Spec. Notice the MPH on the left.

Yes! those are some great pics. My point was that the white tach looked silver/gray in pictures, possibly due to the backlight being too bright, but in reality it doesnt look too washed out, as seen in the vid i posted.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by TheJuggernaut

The arguments justifying the lack of creature comfort options in the FR-S due to it being a track car are asinine. I've been doing track days since 2001 and even the most hardcore track psychos I know, incl one who lives a few minutes from the track - we say he lives at the track - do maybe a dozen track days a year. This will be nowhere NEAR what any of you will do. So that's what, 12-24 days of track driving out of 365 (including quite a few of those spent on winter tires for some of us)? So this is NOT a track car. This is a road car that has some extremely sparse track duty.

Breaking this up just to make it easier. To be clear up front, I agree 100%, just adding my thoughts to your very well done post.

I've also been doing track events for awhile (since 99) and autocrossing since 96. I know some guys that spend even more time than that on track, usually two full weekends a month and will drive hours to get to those tracks. Those guys have no problems with the features that the BRZ has so I don't think it's the track guys that will really be hating on the heated seats.

Those guys, just like myself, will drive across the country to try out a new track, so forgive me if I'd prefer to have a decent drive along the way than dealing with a full out track car (and the FR-S is far from a full out track car.. the difference in a couple grand in price from a complete loss on track isn't exactly large). And forgive me if I'd prefer having heated seats while driving an hour in 18 degree temps to an autocross in Jan, or Feb. I'll gladly pay the extra to be more comfortable on my drive to venues at the loss of basically nothing once I'm at the venue. Sure, a few lbs here and there... so I'll have to try just a little harder to win at the autocross, or not harder at all to have a blast in a HPDE.. that's a price I'm willing to pay.

I have a dedicated track car and sure, it has no AC, heater, has fixed seats, welded sunroof, rollcage, no interior, a turning circle which makes a normal 3 pt turn into 8 due to the size of tires and minimal exhaust with no cats. It doesn't and legally can't spend any time in traffic, so when it's not being beaten on, it's being worked on. If I complained about lack of climate control, heated seats or navigation (or even presence of a stereo) in this car, I would entertain any and all claims of my stupidity.

But spare me any fuhraze pretensions for a brand new, street legal Toyota. It's not a racecar. So the only legitimate reason I could accept for the FR-S having a castrated option sheet, is Toyota is telling me that Scions are for poor people so no one will ever buy one over say, 25k.

I'm holding out hope that they're simply choosing to show a cheaper version of the FR-S (one they expect to sell more of) and in reality, it will be available with all of the same options. But if not, they've lost one more client to the BRZ (same pocket in the end I guess, but I still feel sorry for Scion dealers). And it's got nothing to do with me "not getting what this car is really all about". Quite the contrary.

Same here (on the dedicated track car and the rest).

As for the Autocross dragonitti mentioned, I see Porsches, BMWs including 6 series, G35/G37s, etc all autocrossing all the time. They have a blast doing so. I don't see how the extra luxury bits detracted from their experience one bit.

And let's remember, that's what these cars were designed to do. They were designed and built to be FUN TO DRIVE, not FUN TO DRIVE (only without heated seats).

[xrs]

Originally Posted by lilcrzytimmy

It Seems like the scion version will get the white tach according to this pic of the LA reveal.




this is the US-Spec. Notice the MPH on the left.

LOL, even after you post this, some folks have utterly convinced themselves that Scion f'd this up so badly that they refuse to believe that the tach is white. As I've pointed out a few posts back, the tach looks silver due to low ambient light and numbers are only white because the running light illumination is on. If that was white lettering (unlit) on a gray or silver face, you would have a hard time even seeing the numbers.

[Matador]

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

Are you guys smoking crack? Drifting Only? A Scion owns the FWD track record at 20 or so tracks across the US. It has back to back Endurance champion ships. It has been the Time Attack FWD champion for like 4 damn years (basically since they have been in production for the tC). Where does these dudes get their information from? They have money in Pro Drag racing with one of the first ever FWD cars to run 6sec 1/4 mile. Drifting isn't even close to being the most championship won event for Scion. It's just very exciting to watch, so people think that's all that they have going on...

And nobody know about it, so what does that tell you?

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

At the same time, the tC is what launched their Motorsports side of them. So FWD economy or not, it owns a LOT of Motorsports championships and track records.

Give it a rest. Seriously. What are these so called motorsports championships? Any top level relevant series? No?

[ruskymx]

For all the debate about the weight savings of dual CC vs the manual knobs & push button start in the FR-S is probably like the difference between eating a Denny's Super Grand Slam and having some fruit for breakfast on the way to the track.

For me, the biggest weight saving "mod" would be to lay off the wings and beers! :happy0180:

Each person is entitled to their own opinion and everyone is not going to agree with each other. Such is life! At least treat people with respect, because last I checked, you have to be 18 to be able to finance a car and that qualifies you an "adult" legally so ACT like one!

People have to flex their "keyboard" muscles all the time. Same thing going on in my FF league now, but when you see the people in person, it's like nothing happened.

The way I see things, Scion will only ever have the low spec version. If Toyota/Scion gives the USDM a higher spec version, it will be in the form of a RS Scion or they will bring the GT-86 to the US in the future. The dual CC does look good, and I highly doubt that it will be available as an accessory for the Scion. CC has always been a factory installed option on Toyota models.

Leather and heated seats can be added when ever you want. There are companies out there that make some really nice kits that you can pick and choose stitching, colors, materials (suede, solid leather, perforated leather, etc) and heated seats can be added at the same time. It will cost around $1,000-$1,200 to do it and depending on what company you use, they will warranty their work for 3 years just like OEM does. I personally think that if you have leather, heated seats is a MUST as well. They go together like PB & J.

I cannot wait until we can get our cars and start doing what we want to them. Posting our work on here and doing write-ups etc and giving each other ideas. That is one of the best things about forums. It doesn't matter if it's an FR-S, BRZ or GT-86. Can't we all just get along?!? lol

Ruskymx