Safest way to get 15%-20% more NA HP and torque vs. stock

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by Allch Chcar

What's the matter rich kid? E85 pump is 2 miles away and that's too far? Try 20 miles one way.

What does E85 go for out there? It should be almost a dollar less than Premium this time of year.

Must have me confused with my college roommate this one summer semester several years ago. Wrecked his brand new WRX at age 16 and was subsequently given a BMW 330Ci.

I was mainly commenting for the other guy. E85 is NOT plentiful in Maryland, bro. The E85 pumps are more or less exclusively up and down the I-270 corridor...which is basically just Montgomery County. A single county of one state. Looks like a few pumps scattered around the rest of the state, with a handful in Baltimore. That's not really good availability for everyone who doesn't live in MoCo and Baltimore.

I have no problem with the 2 minute drive to the E85 pump down the street from my house. Per gallon it's usually about 70 cents cheaper; the drop in mileage negates that price difference.

[vagvoba]

Originally Posted by Allch Chcar

I hate to be rude but where are you in Maryland that you can't get E85? There's a dozen E85 pumps in your itty bitty state.

Have you tried this map?
http://e85vehicles.com/e85-stations.html

Thanks for the link, I tried another site before, however the results are the same. The only two locations in or around Baltimore City are both private. One is for fleets the other one is in a police lot.

Edit: On second thought, that police lot might not be for police only after all, I just see there lots of cop cars all the time.

[ftc~brz]

Originally Posted by vagvoba

Thanks for the link, I tried another site before, however the results are the same. The only two locations in or around Baltimore City are both private. One is for fleets the other one is in a police lot.

I feel you too. when you look at a map md looks small. when you look up e85 it looks like theres a chance. Closest to me is 44 miles south or 40 miles north. Not worth the hike.

[troek]

yeah, i suppose the cars are dynoing about 10whp higher here to start too. mods are just full exhaust and intake. alot of people dont run any cats over here and just swap em in for inspection time. Ive seen over 220whp but it had an over sized throttle body and was for time attack, so the tune probably wasn't "safe" so to speak. i didn't realize the pump gas was that much better over here.

[mad_sb]

Originally Posted by Pete

I didn't think of that! Have you seen this on an NA car? I just read about it on the @ptuning turbo kit a few days ago.

I'm sure i will get a LOT of flack for saying this but you asked for the safest way. WMI is NOT the safest way.

E85 would be "safer" if it is available. So far as i am aware no one has produced a Meth injection setup for the twins that will switch maps to a pump gas only safe map in the event of a meth system failure which is ultimately what you want if safety is a concern.

Ecutek may be able to do it if you steal an input on the ecu and re purpose it. Piggy backs are usually very easy to switch maps using a ground switch on the meth failsafe. Standalones as well normally are easy enough to setup map switching.

I ran an aquamist HFS-5 with AEM EMS, and also with stock ecu and a piggy back. I tuned quite a few meth cars that did not have adequate failsafes and several of them lost motors when their pumps gave out from running 100% meth on pumps that were not rated for it (seal failure).

From what i read in the thread they posted, their kit is based on the AEM meth kit and probably uses a hobs switch (boost activated) to activate the spray. For NA you would probably want to trigger off the maf signal OR rpm and tps combo etc.. not sure what provisions they have for alternate triggers, but they did mention it was possible.

[mad_sb]

Originally Posted by NickFRS

Id suggest

RevWorks header $700 Nameless frontpipe/overpipe + axelback is $1100 + Perrin Silicone inlet tube $120 and drop in filter $60.

Thats basically $2000 and everything above is self install friendly

Then find a local tuner to give you a protune on a non license E flash BS.

BRZedit protune $500 bucks

Thats $2500 and I guarantee you will be over 190WHP /thread

Solid advice :happy0180:

[Pete]

Originally Posted by mad_sb

..but you asked for ..

I'm not the OP.

But good info, thanks.

[Pete]

Originally Posted by vagvoba

Thank you.
I don't want the inconvenience of E85. I'm looking for something that is as simple to live with as the stock but has more power.
Should I just look into a supercharger?

If it is in your budget I can certainly say that I love my Vortech kit and would recommend it to anyone looking for more power. The kit with a full exhaust got me 252 WHP.

Whatever you decide to go with I would definitely get headers to go with it. Losing the torque dip is a must.

[Splat]

Take a look at this example---- I did some internet checking and I am seeing at best 23% price difference e85 to 93. So, it seems I will lose money with the tune? E85 tune cost how much ?

"For example, the flex-fuel 2010 Chevrolet Impala equipped with a 3.5-liter V-6 engine gets an EPA-estimated 18/29 mpg (city/highway) on gasoline and 14/21 mpg when burning E85. The acceleration is pretty much the same, but the car's range is shortened. In other words, you'll be filling the tank more often when using E85.

Do the math and you'll discover that E85 must be priced roughly 28 percent less than gas just to break even. For example, if gasoline is $3 per gallon, E85 would have to be priced below $2.16 per gallon. There are regions in the Corn Belt where E85 reaches this threshold, making it cost effective."

My other concern is going out of town, I do not want to run around out of my way 20 minutes and more looking for gas. What happens if you have the tune and cant find it? can you use what gas ?

[EAGLE5]

For safety, a lot of people are waiting for a flex-fuel tune before diving into engine mods. As for the Impala, it's not a high-compression engine, sitting at 9.8:1. It doesn't pull timing on crap fuel like the twins have to because of their compression. I can't wait till we see valves, springs, and cams. Heck, we'll probably see a stroke kit someday.

Originally Posted by Splat

Take a look at this example---- I did some internet checking and I am seeing at best 23% price difference e85 to 93. So, it seems I will lose money with the tune? E85 tune cost how much ?

"For example, the flex-fuel 2010 Chevrolet Impala equipped with a 3.5-liter V-6 engine gets an EPA-estimated 18/29 mpg (city/highway) on gasoline and 14/21 mpg when burning E85. The acceleration is pretty much the same, but the car's range is shortened. In other words, you'll be filling the tank more often when using E85.

Do the math and you'll discover that E85 must be priced roughly 28 percent less than gas just to break even. For example, if gasoline is $3 per gallon, E85 would have to be priced below $2.16 per gallon. There are regions in the Corn Belt where E85 reaches this threshold, making it cost effective."

My other concern is going out of town, I do not want to run around out of my way 20 minutes and more looking for gas. What happens if you have the tune and cant find it? can you use what gas ?

[Allch Chcar]

Originally Posted by Splat

Take a look at this example---- I did some internet checking and I am seeing at best 23% price difference e85 to 93. So, it seems I will lose money with the tune? E85 tune cost how much ?

"For example, the flex-fuel 2010 Chevrolet Impala equipped with a 3.5-liter V-6 engine gets an EPA-estimated 18/29 mpg (city/highway) on gasoline and 14/21 mpg when burning E85. The acceleration is pretty much the same, but the car's range is shortened. In other words, you'll be filling the tank more often when using E85.

Do the math and you'll discover that E85 must be priced roughly 28 percent less than gas just to break even. For example, if gasoline is $3 per gallon, E85 would have to be priced below $2.16 per gallon. There are regions in the Corn Belt where E85 reaches this threshold, making it cost effective."

My other concern is going out of town, I do not want to run around out of my way 20 minutes and more looking for gas. What happens if you have the tune and cant find it? can you use what gas ?

That's off-topic here so I won't go into detail. I would recommend searching, since it really is a question with a long winded answer. But the EPA MPG for E85 is strictly based on the BTU difference. Which is not very accurate. Some cars get closer to parity with gasoline, some get the BTU difference. Essentially, your mileage may vary. 15% is about the point where it starts to make sense for me.

[reeves]

Originally Posted by Splat

Do the math and you'll discover that E85 must be priced roughly 28 percent less than gas just to break even. For example, if gasoline is $3 per gallon, E85 would have to be priced below $2.16 per gallon. There are regions in the Corn Belt where E85 reaches this threshold, making it cost effective.

You get an E85 tune on this car for performance (or enviromental reasons).. I seriously doubt anyone who's getting an E85 tune [on this car] is overly concerned with MPG's and fuel costs. Those that are should stick to a 93 octane tune.

Originally Posted by Splat

My other concern is going out of town, I do not want to run around out of my way 20 minutes and more looking for gas. What happens if you have the tune and cant find it? can you use what gas ?

I have zero concerns going on long trips too with E85. I've taken several 5-10 hr drives out of state, and if I run LOW on E85, I simply I fill-up on 93 octane and switch to my 93 octane tune.

[ramiram1984]

Originally Posted by stockysnail

I'm at 171whp on a dyno dynamics with the Perrin intake, Nameless overpipe, and Nameless axle back with no tune. With a tune and Nameless headers when they are released, based on what they've seen on a dyno, it should put me over 200whp. Overpipe/axle back $1100, intake $300, headers $1200, tune $500, so $3100ish for just over 200whp (more on a less restrictive dyno).

Damn that's a lot of $$$!!!

Ah, but I'm headed that direction.

[Wasabi]

Originally Posted by vagvoba

Sorry, no E85 where I live.

This also contributes a problem to some of us owners.