Toyota 86 Debut Press Brochures Reveal Special Editions/Models? (Full Scans)

[subaruslow]

Originally Posted by serialk11r

Regarding the D-4S, I don't think that's the right interpretation. 200hp at 7000rpm is really easy. They could've done a lot more with this engine than they did, but perhaps they didn't want to share too much with Subaru. Wait a minute, maybe that explains everything...

hah. Toyota wanted to build a sports car but a)had no clue how to do it b) had no parts bin c) had no current engineering.


-Toyota doesn't know shit about engine building, it's yamaha, and definitely not scion.

---------This is an odd opinion to have when toyota had to have subaru build them the car because they dunno jack about modern performance.

you've been pushed off your high horse

[#87]

Originally Posted by subatoy

NOOOO RICE models!
That's awful.
I do like the Gazoo one in the background, you just need to remove the wing.

lol @ calling them rice models

Is the sti a rice model wrx?

[serialk11r]

Originally Posted by subaruslow

hah. Toyota wanted to build a sports car but a)had no clue how to do it b) had no parts bin c) had no current engineering.


-Toyota doesn't know shit about engine building, it's yamaha, and definitely not scion.

---------This is an odd opinion to have when toyota had to have subaru build them the car because they dunno jack about modern performance.

you've been pushed off your high horse

Toyota doesn't know shit about engine building, yet it has basically the most advanced engines rolling around? Their most sophisticated lift system is second only to Fiat Multiair (okay fine Ferrari), they have the best cam phasing system around, the most advanced direct injection. Even if you didn't look at their hybrids, their engines (which don't even incorporate all of these features) have better fuel consumption than basically anything else, and it's not because they pulled a Ford and made cruising rpm like 1500.

Giving a motor a few more rpms or tuning the intake is much easier to do than get these things right. Why do you think Toyota supplies engines to so many companies? Anyways, not feeding the troll anymore.

[Dark]

Originally Posted by madfast

look at the pics again. its on an EDM car. and that test was early on in the year. unless i see a production car with this third headlight, i'd still consider it a pre-production prototype.

You're right. The same car was tested by insideline, motortrend, and a European magazine in Europe( I think) about half a year before Tokyo Auto Show, but doesn't mean it is not final design. Some earlier camo'ed prototypes spotted around the world also had different styled headlights ( Subie headlight was not spotted), so I assume the headlight will probably be one of production headlights. I could be wrong though.

Originally Posted by dalli

look familiar?

Yes, that's what I first think of. It looks pretty close to Mark 1 headlight.

[Dark]

Originally Posted by subaruslow

hah. Toyota wanted to build a sports car but a)had no clue how to do it b) had no parts bin c) had no current engineering.


-Toyota doesn't know shit about engine building, it's yamaha, and definitely not scion.

---------This is an odd opinion to have when toyota had to have subaru build them the car because they dunno jack about modern performance.

you've been pushed off your high horse

Really?

Toyota has resource to make any engine by itself, but why bothers? The company doesn't need to spend time and money on developing high revving, high output engine when its arm makes high revving high output engine in MotoGP. Even if Toyota doesn't have Yamaha, it still can make a good engine.

[carbonBLUE]

Originally Posted by subaruslow

hah. Toyota wanted to build a sports car but a)had no clue how to do it b) had no parts bin c) had no current engineering.


-Toyota doesn't know shit about engine building, it's yamaha, and definitely not scion.

---------This is an odd opinion to have when toyota had to have subaru build them the car because they dunno jack about modern performance.

you've been pushed off your high horse

this wasnt the first time toyota had a boxer engine in their car...its was a business agreement on whats cheaper

1) building a factory and designing an engine for a car

2) using someone else factory and engine design (from a company that toyota holds majority power in anyways)
its not that they couldn't do all these things, they just did it more reasonably saving millions so we can have the car cheaper. Toyota did this for us...

3) the 2jz can be boosted to 800 rwhp on stock internals, find me another 6 cylinder under 4 liters or a 3 liter engine that can do the same and not break...

yamaha designs the heads only for best flow....
injection, intake and exhaust timing and engine design is all done by toyota

[Levi]

Stroke has not very much to do with high revs. Just look at BMW M3 E46 engine:

BMW S54
NA I6
3426 cc
87 mm bore x 91 m stroke
343 PS @ 7.900 RPM
365 Nm @ 4.900 RPM
8.000 RPM redline
11.5 : 1 compression ratio


Also the FA20 engine could be a detuned version, what easely allows high HP gain, this mean max. 40 PS. But for a while we do not know if T/S got everything out of this engine or not, but I think they didn't, modding was one of the goals. They could have made the car alot better, but it would cost alot more. So they let us get the max out if we want and if we have ca$h.

[serialk11r]

Originally Posted by Levi

Stroke has not very much to do with high revs. Just look at BMW M3 E46 engine:

BMW S54
NA I6
3426 cc
87 mm bore x 91 m stroke
343 PS @ 7.900 RPM
365 Nm @ 4.900 RPM
8.000 RPM redline
11.5 : 1 compression ratio


Also the FA20 engine could be a detuned version, what easely allows high HP gain, this mean max. 40 PS. But for a while we do not know if T/S got everything out of this engine or not, but I think they didn't, modding was one of the goals. They could have made the car alot better, but it would cost alot more. So they let us get the max out if we want and if we have ca$h.

Rod stroke ratio then. There isn't really a way to increase it on this motor due to width limitations. Changing the bore/stroke a good amount would affect a lot of things. It's also perhaps the reason that a lift control system is not there. I think this engine is somewhat of a dead end...increasing rpm would be too much piston sideloading, judging from the higher rod-stroke ratios of production cars that rev to 8000.

[Dragonitti]

DAYYUUmmm...that Red one on the cover is dope.

[Dragonitti]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Yeah they have me a tshirt, hat, few CDs, & this USB. It looks cool... But it's pretty huge, so it's hard to carry around as keychain USB

That is Scion Culture for you....they do this at any and EVERY single event they throw.

I have a HUGE Beach towel that I have refused to use cause it's the only one I have that says Scion across it. Scion don't just want you to buy their cars. They want to spoil you with swag and make you a fan too. One of the reasons why I love my tC so much is because of what they do on a regular basis.

[old greg]

Originally Posted by carbonBLUE

(from a company that toyota holds majority power in anyways)

16.7% is a long way from a majority.

[nogaroblues4]

Originally Posted by Soravia

I think those headlights are possibly design study for the LED unit that comes with production models. The plastic piece is probably there in place of the LED strip for test purposes. While ppl are pointing out the CF trim, etc on it. I also noticed that the finish of that housing is really poor to be anything production.

I can see why Toyota might have lowered the revs and power output. Subaru is the one who is supposed to bring out a higher power model later. (STi anyone?) I'm guessing that additional output will be left to Subaru to figure out. I'm sure they can rev high enough to match or overcome S2000. The pistons have coatings on the sides and the engine is more balanced than inline-4 in S2000. I won't be surprised to see additional 1,000 rpm unlocked on factory engine without major issues.

I'm also digging the Fujiwara Tofu AE86. I hope Toyota sponsors an event to bring the Drift King and other people to do a challange time attack with similar spec cars. (namely S2000, S15, RX-8, Genesis Coupe, RS-X) It will be a big publicity event on the Tube and good way to see how the cars match up in different areas of the track.

I noticed that the core frame of the body has a support running in the middle of the roof. This car will NOT have any sun-roof with that in place. I don't think they will go back to design board just to put one on.

The plastic strip is not in place of the LED, the LEDs are above the strip. You can clearly see the LED's in the test drive picture from the Insideline article. Im holding out hope for these headlights!

[carbonBLUE]

Originally Posted by old greg

16.7% is a long way from a majority.

its more than anyone else owns... lol

http://www.fhi.co.jp/english/ir/share_info/share.html

[jay4prez]

Originally Posted by carbonBLUE

its more than anyone else owns... lol

http://www.fhi.co.jp/english/ir/share_info/share.html

Well damn, toyota owns the largest share by far 3x the second highest share holder and then some.


And wooohoooo this car rocks!!!