Form > Function

[HunterGreene]

Originally Posted by SLICVIC

Well from what i know , odd Camber isnt the cause of premature tire wear. if your Toe alignment is off, whether 0 degrees or -11 degrees of camber, the tires wear down prematurely do to "scrubbing" . My last car, 2006 STi, had about -8ish camber in the rear with the toe never corrected and mightve put on about 5k miles and still had plenty of life left on the tires . To answer your question , between the brz and my old sti, ive NEVER had to replace tires for ANY reason, BUT neither were daily driven.

Thanks for the response. I was aware that toe has more effect than camber, but I can't help but think that the tires are loaded on a smaller patch and on a part that isnt really meant to take the full load of the car, hence the question.

[SkullWorks]

What did I tell you to expect...exactly what you got...

Of course minimizing the contact patch wears the outside of the tire faster...anyone who claims otherwise should simply be written off

[HunterGreene]

Originally Posted by SkullWorks

What did I tell you to expect...exactly what you got...

Of course minimizing the contact patch wears the outside of the tire faster...anyone who claims otherwise should simply be written off

I don't understand the need to be "right" here. You do what you do, he does what he does, both of you spend your money in different ways. He obviously has zero f*cks to give what you do with your money, why should you care what he does with it? Its his choice.

The telling fact is that these are not DD cars, at least in this case.

[SkullWorks]

go re-read my posts and you will see why I care. This isn't about @SLICVIC's car, it's about the desire to make your car less safe than as delivered to impress people you are actually endangering...call me a humanifuckingtarian

[fatoni]

the excess camber isnt going to change the size of the contact patch in a significant way. what it will do is change the shape of the contact patch for the worse. the reason for camber is to optimize grip while cornering. if you are running these crazy amounts you are excessively compromising your cars ability to stop and go while reducing the stability during those actions. you are also likely compromising your cornering since you still have too much camber at the peak of your suspensions range. if you really do need that much camber, what you really need is much more spring rate.

[xxscaxx]

Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl

well thats just GREAT then

Maybe we should get your brother to counsel us on why he is running -3 on the street, by all measures, thats way too much for a street alignment, but perhaps I will learn something about aligning cars for the street today.

but your brothers not wrong for setting it up like that if thats what you want,
like the OP, some guys run -5, what do I know

and I'm not on a high horse. take a look at what the factory specs are, and if someone is gonna deviate from that, they should have sound reasons why they are dialing in a certain setting, be it -1,-2-3,-4 or -7.

My M3 setup for street and track has only -1.2 rear and my BRZ is a measly -2.0 rear, that I am gonna dial back down a hair
I'm just not doing it right, I cant wait till I can have someone show me how to do this correctly.

This is exactly the attitude I am referring to when you post and this "high horse" mentality of yours.

Where did I say in my post my brother was right for his alignment settings, or that it was proper for a street setup, or anything of the like? Another member asked about tire wear so I responded to that question by stating that my brother is running camber outside of alignment spec yet his tires have lasted him just as long as someone else running stock specs.

My brother didn't choose to run -3, being as the GRs rear is like our cars and the camber is dependent on the ride height, it ended up being at -3 (and just so happens to be perfect for clearance, running a 265 on a 10" wheel).

Is his setup "correct" in standard terms? No.. But does he care? No. I don't think my brother has ever taken his STi to redline or even over 5k for that matter, he drives slower than a 90 year old woman and I want to punch him in the nuts and tell him to do the speed limit.

So basically if he had stock alignment specs he would never even notice it, lol. I think you can see what I'm trying to get at here, and if not well then I don't know what else to say.

Just so you know, I plan on running 2.0 in the rear of my brz if I can. Even less if I can pull it off but I don't see that happening. I'm not taking sides on this, I just think its ridiculous how worked up people get on something that isn't even theirs

And there are reasons people deviate from the stock settings - fitment! If you think anything over 2 degrees is bad (just throwing a number out there), then you must hate a lot of setups on the forum, because there's a laundry list of people who are running out of "spec" alignments. If this is the mentality, then why is 2.3 degrees any more justifiable than 4?

[SLICVIC]

Originally Posted by SkullWorks

go re-read my posts and you will see why I care. This isn't about @SLICVIC's car, it's about the desire to make your car less safe than as delivered to impress people you are actually endangering...call me a humanifuckingtarian

ahh the good ol "make your car less safe" rants, i understand. i drive my car few times, maybe even once a week, and follow all speed limits . Where im from we always see the "street racing" and "function" scene encouraging kids to push their cars beyond the limits resulting in fatal accidents, how about we encourage these kids to keep their "functional" cars on the tracks ? If i was trying to impress people , it seems like the functional setup seems to be the "COOL" thing to do around here so ah who am i impressing? I get it the car looks silly to you guys thats cool, I really worked hard to have it how i want it now and i really like it Some day when im tired of the car, itll go back to stock and go to a new owner who can enjoy it.

[SkullWorks]

Originally Posted by SLICVIC

ahh the good ol "make your car less safe" rants, i understand. i drive my car few times, maybe even once a week, and follow all speed limits . Where im from we always see the "street racing" and "function" scene encouraging kids to push their cars beyond the limits resulting in fatal accidents, how about we encourage these kids to keep their "functional" cars on the tracks ? If i was trying to impress people , it seems like the functional setup seems to be the "COOL" thing to do around here so ah who am i impressing? I get it the car looks silly to you guys thats cool, I really worked hard to have it how i want it now and i really like it Some day when im tired of the car, itll go back to stock and go to a new owner who can enjoy it.

Atleast you aren't in denial about the effects of your alignment on the safety factor of the vehicle, or atleast didn't offer any argument. The problem I see is that most of the wrecked canyon cars I see in SoCal are HellaFrush FanBois

I will not speak any further on "street racing" I would like to say that I am not in support of pushing a car on the streets in the presence of other vehicles.

[ATL BRZ]

Originally Posted by SLICVIC

Some day when im tired of the car, itll go back to stock and go to a new owner who can enjoy it.

With a strong possibility that the new owner will be stuck with bent control arms, prematurely worn out bushings and joints, and heavily scraped/banged up undercarriage and exhaust.

[Supermassive]

I don't mind the stanced cars, I personally think they look ridiculous but hey do whatever tickles your pickle. What I hate is how the stance scene somehow became the import scene. Import mags are a slew of stanced out clown cars with a bunch of shop owned performance cars thrown in the mix...same goes for car shows.

My gripe is when did the import scene stop caring about making a car look AND perform awesome. I'm guessing this stance "mentality" has actually caused a bunch of the people building really cool powerful cars from coming out to shows and showing off their work because the average crowd that likes the stance scene couldnt tell the difference from a blow off valve and a wastegate, so they really don't appreciate the work involved. But, if you slam your car to the ground and camber it to the moon, and then slap a body kit on it, the kiddies wet themselves over it...

Maybe I'm just old...

[Outlawstar98]

Why do most of you even care? Honestly....

But this "safety" some of you are talking is a load of BS, my friends who run stanced daily, drive much slower and careful, none of them ever has gotten into a crash. On the other hand my friends who do track days do not drive as safe at all on the street. Also some of my stanced friends, their 2nd car is usually a garage car that is somehow built. People have to stop over reacting and get their head out of their butts. Stanced cars can look externally awesome at time. While the car from the main pic I do not tend to like. I can understand why he would want that.


Moral of the story;
Grow up kids.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by SLICVIC

ahh the good ol "make your car less safe" rants, i understand. i drive my car few times, maybe even once a week, and follow all speed limits . Where im from we always see the "street racing" and "function" scene encouraging kids to push their cars beyond the limits resulting in fatal accidents, how about we encourage these kids to keep their "functional" cars on the tracks ? If i was trying to impress people , it seems like the functional setup seems to be the "COOL" thing to do around here so ah who am i impressing? I get it the car looks silly to you guys thats cool, I really worked hard to have it how i want it now and i really like it Some day when im tired of the car, itll go back to stock and go to a new owner who can enjoy it.

Originally Posted by Outlawstar98

Why do most of you even care? Honestly....

But this "safety" some of you are talking is a load of BS, my friends who run stanced daily, drive much slower and careful, none of them ever has gotten into a crash. On the other hand my friends who do track days do not drive as safe at all on the street. Also some of my stanced friends, their 2nd car is usually a garage car that is somehow built. People have to stop over reacting and get their head out of their butts. Stanced cars can look externally awesome at time. While the car from the main pic I do not tend to like. I can understand why he would want that.


Moral of the story;
Grow up kids.

you guys are confusing unsafe drivers with unsafe cars. i think the concern many people are voicing is not in how you drive but how a car without adequate suspension travel or forced into a suboptimal camber curve may perform without much if any predictability. i think the point is that there is no real reason to do it other than "because" while there are a bunch of reasons not to.

[SLICVIC]

Originally Posted by ATL BRZ

With a strong possibility that the new owner will be stuck with bent control arms, prematurely worn out bushings and joints, and heavily scraped/banged up undercarriage and exhaust.

because someone would prefer a brz with a beat to shit engine, clutch drivetrain and paint chips all over the front end? lmao you guys are desperate to bash anything

Originally Posted by Outlawstar98

Why do most of you even care? Honestly....

But this "safety" some of you are talking is a load of BS, my friends who run stanced daily, drive much slower and careful, none of them ever has gotten into a crash. On the other hand my friends who do track days do not drive as safe at all on the street. Also some of my stanced friends, their 2nd car is usually a garage car that is somehow built. People have to stop over reacting and get their head out of their butts. Stanced cars can look externally awesome at time. While the car from the main pic I do not tend to like. I can understand why he would want that.


Moral of the story;
Grow up kids.

this.

[russv]

Originally Posted by Outlawstar98

Why do most of you even care? Honestly....

But this "safety" some of you are talking is a load of BS, my friends who run stanced daily, drive much slower and careful, none of them ever has gotten into a crash. On the other hand my friends who do track days do not drive as safe at all on the street. Also some of my stanced friends, their 2nd car is usually a garage car that is somehow built. People have to stop over reacting and get their head out of their butts. Stanced cars can look externally awesome at time. While the car from the main pic I do not tend to like. I can understand why he would want that.


Moral of the story;
Grow up kids.

Perhaps they drive slower and more careful because they have to, so they don't knock off their front ends on driveways, road dips, and to also keep their tires from rubbing on the fenders. Can't imagine driving these cars even moderately aggressively, which is what they are designed for. "Stancing" one of the twins makes no sense and have no understanding why anyone would do this to a sports car. Could you imagine a stanced Porsche? It's their car though, so they can do whatever they want. I always smile and shake my head when I see one.