Scion Drops the ball...

[sharky]

Originally Posted by KAuss

Well for those that can afford it, don't ruin it for the ones that can't...

If you can truly afford the best of the best LFA

Why would having them as options ruin the low price for those who don't want them?

[suprachica79]

Originally Posted by Zgrinch

My guess is the big black plastic strip on the front is the 800 pound gorilla in the room.

As most people on here know, I won't buy a subaru, end of story. It helps that I like the look for the FR-S styling more, but regardless, I wouldn't get the Subaru.

[KAuss]

Most people have been complaining about standard equipment...

Because no one has been talking about mods except for a few sane minded people...

[pastuch]

Originally Posted by gte

It's absolutely not retarded when you work on and build things for your vehicles.

I know that Toyota pulses it's tach wire twice per revolution, I know that I can control the VVTI cam phasing with a darlington NPN transistor, because it pulls 1.2amps through the solenoid. I know that they use 36-2 for the crank trigger wheel, I know how they design their pistons and their heads. I could go on and on.

RETARDED is when you think you know everything, make a generalization and then someone comes along and shows you something obvious that you overlooked.

I never claimed to know everything and your argument is so personal it's almost laughable. You are obviously doing tuning that less than 1% of the buyers of this car will even contemplate attempting. Your personal expertise with Toyotas is commendable but it doesn't prevent you from using most of the same tools and knowledge on the Subaru BRZ. How much of what you listed will be different between the FRS and BRZ? Your misplaced pride in a brand on the other hand...

They could call this car a Pontiac Fiero and I'd still buy one.

[DrunkenMime]

Originally Posted by xantonin

@ OP. You're retarded.

There's a reason Subaru is making their own model.

This is like looking at the power tool toys in the kids section and crying that the plastic hammer doesn't work.

You want the big boy toys then get out of the kids section.

it's too bad the Subaru looks like Subapoo...

I don't like the front end styling of the BRZ at all...

[KAuss]

Originally Posted by suprachica79

As most people on here know, I won't buy a subaru, end of story. It helps that I like the look for the FR-S styling more, but regardless, I wouldn't get the Subaru.

Both cars ARE Subaru... They're built in their plant by Subaru hands / machines...

This is really why I facepalm so much when you defy the very thing you speak out of pure stubbornness...

What is wrong with a Subaru? They make awesome cars...

[KAuss]

Originally Posted by DrunkenMime

it's too bad the Subaru looks like Subapoo...

I don't like the front end styling of the BRZ at all...

You can still buy the Subaru and change the front clip...

They have stated they made the front clip easy to remove / replace...

So.....

[subaruslow]

Originally Posted by suprachica79

I'm ok with all of the cheapness, as long as I can add the options later on. I'll pay an extra grand for the nicer HVAC, I'll pay an extra couple grand for the leather/alcantera seats, steering wheel, gauges, etc. I just don't know if they will even offer them as options, especially with how scion only seems to offer accessories, not options. If I can add those things as options, I'm a happy camper. I commute 150 miles round trip everyday for work. Call me materialistic, but I want all the amenities I can get, and after all the college I have done, now that I finally have a full time job, this car is my graduation present to myself, and I want it fully loaded.

yeah this car is about driving not about options. I kindly would not pay 2,000 more for nice seats. Sounds like you should get a big comfy sedan, and while this car looks cool its not for you. Did you read anything about it? It's not a plush luxury car, its a cheap sports car? duh

[gte]

The FRZ doesn't appeal to me either, so I'm not sure why you brought that into the conversation.

I like working on Toyotas because they are familiar to me, not because I have the import version of 2 hill billies arguing Ford vs Chevy, so the "RETARDED" comment was completely off base. I believe more than 1% of us here work on our own cars, and enjoy the intelligence put into the design of a Toyota.

If you want to see a large contrasting example, compare a Toyota engine bay to a G body Oldsmobile. There are GREAT GREAT things to be said about the intelligent design Toyota puts into most things.

Originally Posted by pastuch

I never claimed to know everything and your argument is so personal it's almost laughable. You are obviously doing tuning that less than 1% of the buyers of this car will even contemplate attempting. Your personal expertise with Toyotas is commendable but it doesn't prevent you from using most of the same tools and knowledge on the Subaru BRZ. How much of what you listed will be different between the FRS and BRZ? Your misplaced pride in a brand on the other hand...

They could call this car a Pontiac Fiero and I'd still buy one.

[VenomRush]

Originally Posted by gte

The FRZ doesn't appeal to me either, so I'm not sure why you brought that into the conversation.

I like working on Toyotas because they are familiar to me, not because I have the import version of 2 hill billies arguing Ford vs Chevy, so the "RETARDED" comment was completely off base. I believe more than 1% of us here work on our own cars, and enjoy the intelligence put into the design of a Toyota.

If you want to see a large contrasting example, compare a Toyota engine bay to a G body Oldsmobile. There are GREAT GREAT things to be said about the intelligent design Toyota puts into most things.

wat

[pastuch]

Originally Posted by suprachica79

As most people on here know, I won't buy a subaru, end of story. It helps that I like the look for the FR-S styling more, but regardless, I wouldn't get the Subaru.

Wow, they are ALL Subarus. They are ALL made by Subaru. Unless your hatred for the company is related to their dealer network then I don't get it.

My hatred for Subaru is based on how the company overcharges Canada by 40% for every car when most other manufacturers average 0% to 20% more. It's insulting and that company won't get a penny from me until they fix their Canadian pricing philosophy.

[subaruslow]

VERY DISAPPOINTED IN YOUR STUPIDITY and LACK OF CAR KNOWLEDGE

PLZ leave.

[KAuss]

Originally Posted by subaruslow

VERY DISAPPOINTED IN YOUR STUPIDITY and LACK OF CAR KNOWLEDGE

PLZ leave.

Seriously guys, if it's immature to post about the car and complain about it, this kind of behavior is what turns the forum into Civic forums of yore...

I'm no mod here, but have been in others and trust me if Hachi isn't sleeping right now there'd be some delete buttons and ban hammers on a BUNCH of people as of late...

Nowhere does anyone on this forum have the right to lower the entire forum's class by making remarks like this...

This kind of behavior saddens me more than the crop of near troll like threads...

[pastuch]

Originally Posted by gte

The FRZ doesn't appeal to me either, so I'm not sure why you brought that into the conversation.

I like working on Toyotas because they are familiar to me, not because I have the import version of 2 hill billies arguing Ford vs Chevy, so the "RETARDED" comment was completely off base. I believe more than 1% of us here work on our own cars, and enjoy the intelligence put into the design of a Toyota.

If you want to see a large contrasting example, compare a Toyota engine bay to a G body Oldsmobile. There are GREAT GREAT things to be said about the intelligent design Toyota puts into most things.

Then the FRS/BRZ were never intended for you in the first place and you should have known that 2 years ago! This is a Subaru with a Scion badge and a Toyota tuned engine. Toyota has no plans to build sports cars of their own, unless you know of some recent news that I'm missing. The LF-A is an overpriced super car.

The retarded comment wasn't directed at you specifically, more the countless posts from people complaining about things they can upgrade easily.