best article yet regarding speed and the frs/brz

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by Noob4Life

In terms of most current turbo setups running around 300hp, 230hp is a mild to moderate tune for a turbocharger setup. besides, car is rated at 200hp at the crank so an increase of 30hp i would also consider mild to moderate. If we're talking to the wheels it's a nice jump but also nothing compared to what most turbocharger setups are running.

i think calling a turbo a mild to moderate tune is a little misleading. hell why dont you just use the stock tune with an ls7?

[Brzetto]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Sorry, I'm not into bench racing. I like real world results. Until I see it, I say it wont happen.

Wait, I have seen it: I've already driven turbo and supercharged FR-S/BRZ. Both on track and on the street. I can't state which setups due to NDA, but bolt-on/tuned 335 still pull away. Yes, N55 335, not N54 335.

His friend's 335i is stock, a bolt on 335i doesn't matter. Nice fail on hijacking the discussion.

[Brzetto]

Originally Posted by Noob4Life

Theyre probably about the size of the k03s' that were in my jetta and I cant tell you for sure id take him from a roll. They put you in you seat at launch but also run out of juice quick and are pretty much worthless in the later gears and higher rpm ranges. I was running 22psi which was dropping to about 15ish by the time I hit redline (6k)

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You should be able to beat his german pig with a decent tune, personally I wouldn't listen to anything fatoni says because 2 he doesn't own one of the twins and 2 he trolls quite a few threads. You can listen to him if you want, he brought some of his friends in on the action because he loses every debate he enters. Have fun.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by SubaruBRZLimited

His friend's 335i is stock, a bolt on 335i doesn't matter. Nice fail on hijacking the discussion.

Let me rephrase, just for you.

A 230whp (270 crank) BRZ/FRS will never pull on a bone stock N54 335i/is. Stop bench racing.

[switchlanez]

Ya know... there's a vs. section and more appropriate threads for some of the discussion going on here: [1] [2] [3] [4]


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Some of my fave excerpts from the article:

"Speed isn't everything... Great cars make you forget the speed thing entirely."

"...not heavy, ostentatious, disgustingly overpowered, or tolerant of fools — a rare combo for a modern car."

"...loin-stirring sports cars for people born without trust funds. If you had a job and a pulse, you could buy..."

Sorry to say, Bimmers sorta miss those marques. I've spiritedly driven my buddy's E36 M3 and, while I had a blast, I could feel its weight and was nervous about ending up in the ditch. It's like handling a pitbull pulling on its leash. Whereas the BRZ is like handling my pet Basenji: lightweight, lean and sculpted, barkless (no roaring engine), very agile, independent (DGAF about status).




An article quote that's especially my favorite:

"You drive down the street to get milk, it's an event... The BRZ feels special, which is what sports cars are really about."

I've owned my share of turbos, FF, FR, MR, AWD, luxo-coupe sports cars. My MR2 Turbo and my dad's '97 Supra TT brought the above statement alive. But none quite as well as my BRZ. Ironically, my dad replaced his Supra with a BRZ.

[Noob4Life]

Yeah that escalated quickly...

Originally Posted by switchlanez

An article quote that's especially my favorite:

"You drive down the street to get milk, it's an event... The BRZ feels special, which is what sports cars are really about."

I've owned my share of turbos, FF, FR, MR, AWD, luxo-coupe sports cars. My MR2 Turbo and my dad's '97 Supra TT brought the above statement alive. But none quite as well as my BRZ. Ironically, my dad replaced his Supra with a BRZ. :shrug:

Now back on topic, YES this is so true, I live 2 minutes away from where I work and it usually takes me a half an hour to get there lol

[EAGLE5]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

I'm going to take this another step.

A M3 will never be out-handled by a BRZ/FRS, unless either 1. the BRZ/FRS is heavily modified or 2. the BRZ/FRS is so compromised that it has even LESS acceleration.

Handling usually refers to the controllability of a car near, at, and beyond the limit, but not the location of those limits. The 86 has outstanding handling, not outstanding limits. It would take new, wide wheels, stickier tires, and a big, fat power upgrade to get the 86's limits up to those of the stock M3. The 86's handling might suffer a bit, but stock for stock, my understanding is that the M3's handling isn't quite as good. I've never driven an M3 in anger, though. Just puttered around. Nice car.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by jsimon7777

Handling usually refers to the controllability of a car near, at, and beyond the limit, but not the location of those limits. The 86 has outstanding handling, not outstanding limits. It would take new, wide wheels, stickier tires, and a big, fat power upgrade to get the 86's limits up to those of the stock M3. The 86's handling might suffer a bit, but stock for stock, my understanding is that the M3's handling isn't quite as good. I've never driven an M3 in anger, though. Just puttered around. Nice car.

The M3 is significantly easier to handle at the limit, as well as easier to approach the limit with. Virtue of a long wheelbase and costing 2x as much.

[switchlanez]

Apparently peoples are completely missing the point of this thread

[Dazza]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

The M3 is significantly easier to handle at the limit, as well as easier to approach the limit with. Virtue of a long wheelbase and costing 2x as much.

Whilst I appreciate you may have a prefernce for the handling of the M3 compared with the handling of a BRZ/FRS/GT86, I'm afraid cost and length of wheelbase aren't the accurate predictors of good handling that you suggest.

Otherwise I would buy one of these.................

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by SubaruBRZLimited

You should be able to beat his german pig with a decent tune, personally I wouldn't listen to anything fatoni says because 2 he doesn't own one of the twins and 2 he trolls quite a few threads. You can listen to him if you want, he brought some of his friends in on the action because he loses every debate he enters. Have fun.

why did you even bring me up in response to his post? im not bringing any of my friends anywhere. im just saying that a turbo and a mild to moderate tune arent really the same thing. you might disagree but that doesnt make me a troll. im sure many people would agree.

[UMB FR-S]

Originally Posted by switchlanez

Apparently peoples are completely missing the point of this thread
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